Deshaun Watson is not a top 10 QB
 

Deshaun Watson is constantly getting praised as one of the best young QBs. Hell before the season people were saying he was 2nd best behind Mahomes. I'm here to tell you that he's not even in the top 10.

Deshaun Watson did have a bad GM in B.O.B, but he wasn't that bad as a coach. He always had the Texans respectable, but what he did to that franchise as a GM is senile. That doesn't mean he has to be the scape goat for every time Watson makes a mistake or can't close out a game. Watson was one of/if not the main reason for the playoff loss to the Chiefs. No elite QB is going to allow an opponent to run away with a game after being up 24-0. Another scape goat Watson has is his O line. He is terrible in the pocket and is the main reason for his high sack rate.

He has had success in his past seasons and it seems to me that a lot of that success was due to DeAndre Hopkins ability to catch everything that was anywhere close to him. He made that team so much better and was more important than Watson. Just look at this year what has happened in Houston. Hopkins got traded and the team literally fell apart and Watson has been absolute trash. Now how is he trash when he's on pace for 4800 yards and 34 TDs? He's a god damn garbage time all star, but he struts around like he's playing like an all pro and that his team is trash.

He has sucked shit in the 1st quarter all year and is one of the main reasons why his team is always playing from behind. In the 1st quarter of games this year he is

27/46, 58.7% comp, 285 yards, 1 TD, 13 1st down passes. That's in 7 ****ing games! Almost half a season and he's managed 1 passing TD and a measly 285 yds in the first quarter. Compare that to his 4th quarter stats when he can just throw it against a prevent defense when his team is down double digits. 50/74, 67.5% comp, 685 yds, 7 TDs, 2 Ints. These numbers would be elite and he'd be considered clutch if they'd would have won more than one game.

This is the score of all of his games this year going into the 4th quarter and a little of what transpires

KC - 24 - 7

Balt - 23 - 10

Pit - 20 - 21
Houston was up, but Watson threw an int during an 8 play 42 yd drive at the beginning of the 4th quarter and Pitt capitalized and scored the go ahead TD right after that. Watson gets the ball back down a TD, but he takes one of his patented sacks and goes 3 and out and never sees the ball again. With how great he's been in the 4th quarter this year and how elite he is you'd expect more than 45 yds and an int in the 4th, but he choked the game away.

Min - 24 - 16
Deshaun had a chance to tie the game, but couldn't punch it in when they had the ball with around a minute left 2nd down and 1 yard to go from the Minnesota 1. David Johnson tries to run it in and gets stuffed. Then on 3rd down Watson is running an option and gets scared of a big hit, so he tosses it to David and David doesn't catch it, but he recovers the fumble and it's a 4 yard loss. 4th and 5 gives Watson a chance to redeem himself, but he thinks DeAndre Hopkins is out there running a route and will bail out his shitty overthrown fade route. Not DeAndre does his best, but he can't overcome Watson's shit ball.

Jax - Houston's only win!

Ten -
Deshaun tries really hard, but for some dumb shit reason the Texans go up 7 with 1:53 left in the game and Romeo oh Romeo says "Hey Mr Clutch, go out there and get us 2 points, so this game is over" and Deshaun replies "no probs Romeo O'Brien, I mean Bill, I got this", but Mr. Clutch ain't so clutch and two point conv fails. Ten scores a TD, makes XP, gets ball in OT and drives down for a win.

GB - 28 - 7, but Deshaun tears that prevent up in the 4th and racks up those garbage time numbers to the tune of 100 yards and a TD. 72 and the TD of those yards came in one drive when it really mattered down 35 to 14 with 3:40 left in the game a 2 minute drive to make it a 2 score game. Real nail biter.

Deshaun ****ing sucks. He ain't shit. He got paid and will continually get talked as if he's some elite QB on a team devoid of talent because B.O.B ****ed the franchise. Watson is gonna hit free agency in a few years and get another huge deal because it's not his fault the team never gets above 8-8 again. He will be shitting the bed in the first year of his next deal and everyone will be wondering why Bill O' Brien and his offensive line are still preventing him from winning a game.

Eat shit DeBerg

He got ****ed over by the team they gave him and coaches.


If he had good coaching and a team he'd be doing pretty good.


Texans just may **** his career.


He'd be ok if he can survive this year and demand a trade next season.

Agreed. He's off way more than he's on. His game is all over the place and inconsistent.

Is so!!!!

Sticks tongue out

I probably want him to be good more than if he is or will be or not. I want him to be good so makes Patrick Mahomes II look that much better when he beats him. I think Patrick thrives with competition and when other quarterbacks are compared to him he just elevates his own game. So I'm wanting Deshaun to be good to make Mahomes be that much better.

Houston is a dumpster fire. They have Romeo as the interim head coach.

We know ALL about that.

yep Bill screwed that team over so bad. I just feel bad for the dude. Its the whole, make a chicken salad out of chicken shit kinda deal.

Sounds like they're trying to trade away the rest of his WRs too LMAO

All I need is the air that I strum
and to PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL

Get Deshawn a good coach and he can be a top tier QB. Nobody could be successful on a consistent basis with BOB running the team. Watson needs to survive this year any way he can and hope Cal hires a good GM and coach for next season. Id start by purging all Ex - Patriots b/c that franchise has been "Patriot Wayed," and we all know what that's like. :shake:
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He started as a garbage time QB, then had a few 4Q comebacks, and now he’s reverted. BOB trading Hopkins for a bag of moldy dicks didn’t help.

At this point they might as well dump everyone except Watson and start over. They already are on course to pick in the top 5 which Miami gets. They need to rebuild from the horrid situation BOB put them in and they need to do it from the ground up.

I remember in the offseason when dipshit Texans fans said he'd be better without Hopkins because he'd be forced to spread it around more. Yeah, about that.

Even though they traded Hopkins his weapons aren't really that bad.

The guy doesn’t have his best weapon or a HC worth a shit. Of course he looks worse.

Take away Andy and Kelce and Pat is not the same QB.

I've been saying for ****ing years Hopkins catches an awful lot of **** it chuck it balls Watson wings in his general direction.

Hopkins is really REALLY ****ing good at 50/50 balls.

He's a good player but he has a ceiling. He has terrible arm strength, but he makes up for it by manipulating himself in the pocket or outside of the pocket to create a window to throw. He is a playmaker but can find himself making mistakes.

If you make me choose between him or Josh Allen, man I don't really know what I'd do.

A combination of bad coaching, no O line, and media overhype have combined to set him up to fail.

Yep. Relatively speaking he's always had a noodle arm, so as he ages and slows down/loses arm strength I don't see him remaining competitive well into his 30s.

They're not horrible, but you just can't trade away a top 3 WR while you're trying to develop a QB.

"He's better than Mahomes." - Deberg

He plays too tentative. He holds the ball too long. I happen to agree with the OP - he's not a top 10 QB. He's young and that's really the only thing desirable about him.

Trading Hopkins didn't screw Watson, it EXPOSED him.

Watson was used to throwing low probability passes and watching Hopkins' exceptional catch radius bail him out.

Watson isn't great and all BOB did was show people that.

He does, but you have to think part of that is coaching and not calling effective plays to help him out. Maybe not having a complete buffoon at coach will help. I hope Bieniemy goes there, because I like the kid (Watson). And I don't really see them as a real threat to Mahomes.

Who do we rank above Watson ?

Mahomes
Wilson
Rogers
Brees
L Jackson
Wentz
Stafford
Tannehill
Brady
Roethlisberg
Kyler Murray
Josh Allen

Not sure all these guys are above him? Hes a fringe top 10 guy.

Watson's propensity to hold the ball too long has nothing to do with play calling. It's purely Watson's problem. Perhaps it could be coached out of him but it really shouldn't have to be if he's as good as everybody thinks he is.

This dude getting the Alex Smith treatment from CP. Blame everyone but the QB. Well his receivers suck, he needs more talent around him. Well he's got the talent, but that God damn coach isn't calling plays that play to his strengths. He has no time behind that Oline. Gotta ****ing get better talent to protect him. He's a good QB, but he's gonna be a Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan.

“Who ever drafts him gets Michael Jordan on the football field” Dabo Swinney

Which Michael Jordan was he talking about? The one that works for Goodwill doing custodial
Duties at the Department of the Treasury?

Josh Allen is not a better QB than Watson. No way, not right now at least, and I don't care what their stats read.

I'd remove Wentz from that list, but I'd put more names on it. Guys I'd take for sure right now over

Mahomes
Wilson
Rogers
Brees
L Jackson
Stafford
Tannehill
Brady
Roethlisberg
Kyler Murray
Josh Allen
Jared Goff
Derek Carr

I would consider taking these guys over him

Burrow
Herbert

I know it's not a perfect way to judge a QBs performance, but looking at QBR Watson has been a roller coaster and peaked his rookie season with an 83.6 during 6 starts that year and hasn't come close to that number again.

2017 - 83.6
2018 - 60.7
2019 - 71.2
2020 - 71.1

His rookie year if he had continued that pace and become a qualifier he would have been far above everyone as the highest rated QB that year. Since then he has been ranked

'18 - 15th
'19 - 7th
'20 - 15th

I'm not saying that he has been terrible, but God damn eventually you gotta place a little blame on the player.

He's a good QB on a bad team with worse coaching.

Romeo ****ing Crennel, guys, c'mon.

but Crennel gets credit for developing Derek Anderson

Brees - He's better than Brees right now, no doubt.
Stafford -Has never won anything, aging.
Tannehill - He's better than Tannehill. Tannehill has a far superior team and coaching staff.
Brady - GMAFB. Give Watson those weapons and see what happens. Brady is still an immobile douche who's about to retire.
Roethlisberg - The guy who just threw 3 INTS and who's passing game is mostly a bunch of screen and short throws?
Jared Goff -Another GMAFB...
Derek Carr - :rolleyes:

Burrow - Still has a lot to prove
Herbert - Still has a lot to prove

No. Just no.

Ya I can't agree with that in any way.

Foles got hot a few times. Tannehill has been consistently very good since going to Tennessee. Getting away from Adam Gase probably helped. He also flashed plenty of potential under Gase, but he had issues staying healthy.

Foles is just Fitzpatrick with a ring.

edit: thought I was in the Foles thread lmao

Exactly. Watsons always been a **** it chuck it guy. All the way back to college.

What part is no?

You don't think Watson could replicate and even do better than Tannehill if they swapped teams?

We talkin' Foles or Watson?

i thought i was in the foles/nagy thread when i posted that lmao

Watson is a totally different story. I think he's a bit overrated but if he were on the Titans I think he'd be pretty beast

Nope, I don't.

You dont think Andy Reid could coach Watson up?

I don't think Watson could handle the offense. He's not a precision QB, he's a spray and pray QB most of the time.

Yea, guys like that are going to look spectacular at times, then horrible at others.

At least this year, Wentz has proven that he's better than Watson. Wentz has found a way to be productive with a cast of practice squad players, at pretty much every skill position. Watson still has some legit starters, albeit not a WR1 or a RB1, but has pretty much regressed so far.

Because outside of his injury problems, Wentz is still a smart, accurate QB for the most part.

Watson absolutely had Hopkins as a safety blanket. Just chuck it up there and let Hopkins take care of it. Without that, Watson becomes very ordinary. He needs a DK Metcalf guy out there.

Watson needs coaching very badly. Things like his pocket roaming and footwork can absolutely be corrected.

Watson would be a much better QB here under Andy. Take a look at how out of control Patrick’s footwork was in his first preseason to the beginning of his 2nd year.

Watson has a career 100+ Rating playing out of control. If he gets a good coach with better weapons he can be very good.

But regardless of that, he’s still a top 10 QB.

Well, Wentz has plenty of purely boneheaded plays on his resumé as well, but overall yeah, Wentz is the more savvy QB to this point. And mostly Wentz is more consistently accurate.

Deshaun can be accurate, but he throws a lot of 'off-center' throws. I noticed it last season or the one before in a couple games where he inexplicably threw balls that DHop had to make some incredible athletic move just to catch what should've been a routine pitch and catch. A couple of them cost them TDs, because Hopkins had to either go back and get the pass, or he had to launch himself 5 yards and twist around to make a catch, that if those had hit him in the hands he would've walked into the EZ. And on the two I remember fairly well, he wasn't under pressure. He could've jsut set his feet and made a normal overhand throw 7 yards or 10 yards and "badda-bing!," touchdown. Instead, he tried some sidearm nonsense, and the ball required Hopkins to do some crazy shit just to catch it, so he got tackled or he was laying on the ground for the easy touch.

But more than that, I blame Billy for Watson's issues more than Watson. That offense was never good. It always looked choppy and inefficient. They shot themselves in the foot more often than not. And Watson spent way too many snaps reading through 4 receivers; where were the quick short throws to set up the longer ones? Why couldn't Billy ever scheme up some easy one or two read plays?

Again, if you gave Watson to Andy or Payton or some other QB guru, Watson would be a much better QB at this point, IMO. Billy did his best to not only ruin the team, he ruined his franchise QB as well.

WOW never go full dlphg9.

He’s definitely Top 10. Let’s be honest here. Once you get past the very short list of elite QB’s (Wilson/Mahomes/Rodgers), a lot of the guys in Top 15 are pretty similar to each other.

Thanks for the discussion.

I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that a significant amount of people that have commented in this thread, but didn't read the OP. All you guys look at is the title and you disagree with it and decide to comment an emotionally fueled response that is backed with 0 evidence.

Not worth any discussion. You are simply wrong about many of the points in your post.

He's a decent qb and I think we'd be happy to have him if not mahomes. But Ive always wondered how he'd look without the DeAndre Hopkins jumpball. Hasn't been great so far.

Like Brady without Gronk last year. Not so good.

List the 10 NFL QB’s you would currently take ahead of Watson.

Obviously Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and I’ll throw Tom Brady in there as well.

Who else?

Big Ben.

Tyler Murray.

I’d take Watson over a 38 year old Rapelithsberger.

This is true. A few really good QB's and a whole lot of meh.

Me, personally: Kyler and Wentz. Then we get into the arguable range. The likes of Allen, Lamar, Stafford, Prescott, Big Ben, Jimmy G, Tannehill, etc. I'd take Watson over most of those guys at this point myself, but I could understand if someone thinks that like Dak or Lamar are better. Then there are players like Burrow and Herbert who are less proven, but may eclipse him in the somewhat near future. Burrow is pretty close.

Listing it out, I think he's top-10, even if he's a bit more topsy turvy than some of the other guys on this list. I'd get it if someone else picks a bunch of these QBs over him, though.

Watson has about 500 more passing yards than Mahomes
I'm not saying it means anything. i'm
just saying I bothered to look it up just now lol.
Stats are fun

500 more yards in 6 more starts

looking at raw numbers instead of rates is fun

In this pass happy era, I don’t think the raw stats will show much difference. Where it really shows up is 3rd down conversion percentage, especially 3rd and Long conversion percentage. This is where Mahomes really shines for his career.

Like I said it means nothing. At least not that he's better or not.but it does prove be keeps up in the nfl.

I wonder how much Roth has left in the tank? He doesn’t strike me as a guy who takes great care of himself.

Yeah, I don't think he's out of the top 10.

Losing your go-to guy in all situations hurts a lot. That O-line is NOT all that good no matter how you spin it. They are the 3rd worst rushing team in the league. Will Fuller and Brandon Cooks are inconsistent receivers and so is Fells at TE.

Just a world of inconsistency and subpar play around him, and that reflects in his play. He has his shortcomings but I'd still take him over a whole bunch of QBs in the NFL.

Guys I can't put him over:

Mahomes
Rodgers
Wilson
Brees

Guys I think he's pretty much on par with:
Brady
Allen
Burrow
Prescott
Murray
Goff
Tannehill
Allen
Roethlisberger

I'd put him above the rest for sure.

If I were starting a team today and had to pick from that 2nd list, the only guy I'd take over him is Burrow.

Raw stats are extremely misleading in basically any sport. Personally, i couldn't give two ****s about how many yards or TDs Mahomes, or any QB really, throws for as long as he directs the offense and comes up when it matters most. Like the Super Bowl. His raw numbers weren't very good but he won the game by coming up big when it mattered, and in the end that's really what we care about.

Of course he's in the conversation for starting a team - he's young.

In fact, that's the main reason he's getting the benefit of the doubt here.

Yeah, there are some QB’s that benefit a lot from garbage time stats in games they don’t win. Deshaun has benefited from it. Prescott is another one. Kirk Cousins is another one. The raw stats look nice on the surface, but are pretty worthless when you really dig into the details.

If helps, I'd put him squarely above everyone on my second list right now except Brady and Rothlisberger if it's a win now situation. I think he's just a better player in a bad situation than most of those other guys.

I don't think team stats like scoring in the 1st quarter and shit like that much apply to Watson's skill or stating he sucks. That's the whole offense failing to produce. He can't make receivers get open, make his line block, make his running backs not run into the back of their linemen for 2 yards and a cloud of dust.

I don't know man. He doesn't have tremendous pocket presence, holds the ball too long, lacks plus arm strength, doesn't have great accuracy. I think he's thoroughly mediocre, despite all the external issues.

umm, i think this would be a case where too soon is soon enough...

are the texans linebackers on suicide watch? ;)

A good to above average QB can be great with all the pieces around him.

Deshawn Watson should be better than what he is. I blame the fiasco that is the Texans for suppressing his talent

We may have to agree to disagree on the pocket presence and arm strength. He has occasional lapses in accuracy but overall I don't think it's bad at all. Holding the ball too long, I see that primarily when his receivers can't get an ounce of separation. Sometimes he needs to just toss it away and live for the next down.

Three words...

They traded Hopkins

Watson really isn't a precision passer, especially deep.

Hopkins has a gigantic catch radius. Watson could just throw it up.

Like I said before, trading Hopkins didn't hurt Watson, it EXPOSED him.

Football is not a game of numbers like baseball for instance. Numbers say Stafford and Rivers are first ballot all time greats but we all know they aren't.

Herbert or watson?

If you are the Texans should you trade Watson to help rebuild?

Their window has closed, why waste Watson's career?

Trade him for two 1st round picks and go full rebuild?

His contract might not be easy to trade.

There's a potential out year in 2024 but in 2022 and 2023 he's going to cost over $40M against the cap. His base salary balloons from $10.5M next year to $35M in 2022.