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Fire Me Boy! 09-17-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9987648)
If the pick is "the one" then you take them with your first pick. Period. Doesn't matter what round other teams value them. If they are indeed "the one" you pick them with your "one."

I totally agree. But you have people saying they knew Montana was going to be great, or they knew Tom Brady was going to be great... really? Then why did they last until the 3rd and 6th rounds, respectively?

DaneMcCloud 09-17-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9987648)
If the pick is "the one" then you take them with your first pick. Period. Doesn't matter what round other teams value them. If they are indeed "the one" you pick them with your "one."

I said this is another thread a few minutes ago: You don't take a guy rated as a third rounder by every scout and front office in the league in the first round. If that player busts, you'll never be a GM in NFL, ever again, and everyone will question your ability to scout and run an organization forever.

It's not worth the risk of ruining your career.

Frazod 09-17-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9987663)
I totally agree. But you have people saying they knew Montana was going to be great, or they knew Tom Brady was going to be great... really? Then why did they last until the 3rd and 6th rounds, respectively?

I remember hearing a story of one of the Bears' scouts begging them to draft Montana in the first and second rounds, to no avail. "All he does is win" was the guy's exact quote, IIRC.

Never heard any such story regarding Brady.

Rain Man 09-17-2013 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9987663)
I totally agree. But you have people saying they knew Montana was going to be great, or they knew Tom Brady was going to be great... really? Then why did they last until the 3rd and 6th rounds, respectively?


I wonder the same thing about the article. I think Levy is a generally honest guy, but it's better to say, "I would've taken Montana", rather than "Geez, he wasn't even on our radar". They're all trapped by the fact that they all passed on him in the first two rounds, but that won't stop everyone from saying, "We were about to trade up to get him because we really liked him".

Pitt Gorilla 09-17-2013 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9987648)
If the pick is "the one" then you take them with your first pick. Period. Doesn't matter what round other teams value them. If they are indeed "the one" you pick them with your "one."

Absolutely. ~Quincy Carter.

milkman 09-18-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9987467)
Steadman was in the organization because he was Lamar Hunt's roommate at SMU. I don't think Fuller was the worst pick ever. The one that was the most damaging was Blackledge. We've still never drafted a QB #1 since 1983 because of that pick. Other terrible number one picks were Brian Jozwiak, Anthony Hancock, Trezelle Jenkins and Ryan Sims. Sylvester Morris and Percy Snow were injury victims, so I don't really hold their high pick status against them.

Oh, and in light of this story think about this: Jack Steadman is on the Chiefs ring of honor. Talk about peter principle in action...

Steadman gets a lot of shit, but the fact is, much of the core group of the team that Marty took to the AFC championship in '93 were drafted by Steadman.

Steadman's greatest failure was bringing in, and keeping, the right guy to coach the talen

If he had retained Levy after a poor strike shortened, scab team season, he would probably

milkman 09-18-2013 09:42 AM

Steadman would probably be viewed differently.

BlackHelicopters 09-18-2013 09:47 AM

And then, depression set in.

Chief Pote 09-18-2013 09:48 AM

It's only a big deal to Montana. If the Chiefs pick Montana...he fades into obscurity and Steve Fuller is the HOF guy. :D

HemiEd 09-18-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9990097)
Steadman gets a lot of shit, but the fact is, much of the core group of the team that Marty took to the AFC championship in '93 were drafted by Steadman.

Steadman's greatest failure was bringing in, and keeping, the right guy to coach the talen

If he had retained Levy after a poor strike shortened, scab team season, he would probably

Levy embarrassed the team and fan base with that ****ing winged T. He was doomed after that crap, at least in my eyes.

gblowfish 09-18-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9990097)
Steadman gets a lot of shit, but the fact is, much of the core group of the team that Marty took to the AFC championship in '93 were drafted by Steadman.

Steadman's greatest failure was bringing in, and keeping, the right guy to coach the talen

If he had retained Levy after a poor strike shortened, scab team season, he would probably

Milk: Steadman was moved out of the GM role in 1976. He was still in the front office, but worked on stuff like player contracts and stadium improvement and such after that point. In 1976 Jim Schaaf was the GM, and stayed until 1988, when King Carl was hired. One of the reasons Steadman got out of the GM chair was because he sucked at evaluating talent, and wanted the scouts and coaches to make the picks after that. They didn't do a very good job until Marty and Carl got here, although they got a couple decent players like Maas and Neil Smith prior to 1988.

Deberg_1990 09-18-2013 10:55 AM

Interesting. doubtful guys like Steadman and Schaaf would last nearly as long in todays era because there is so much more pressure to win. Back then, there was very little media pressure, no grass roots internet fan revolts, etc.....
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milkman 09-18-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9990257)
Milk: Steadman was moved out of the GM role in 1976. He was still in the front office, but worked on stuff like player contracts and stadium improvement and such after that point. In 1976 Jim Schaaf was the GM, and stayed until 1988, when King Carl was hired. One of the reasons Steadman got out of the GM chair was because he sucked at evaluating talent, and wanted the scouts and coaches to make the picks after that. They didn't do a very good job until Marty and Carl got here, although they got a couple decent players like Maas and Neil Smith prior to 1988.

People are pointing the finger at Steadman in this thread.

I am simply pointing out the fact the team did actually have talent when Carl took over, which he and Marty built around.

They won with defense, and 5 or 6 of the players on that defense were drafted or signed prior to '89.

milkman 09-18-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9990275)
Interesting. doubtful guys like Steadman and Schaaf would last nearly as long in todays era because there is so much more pressure to win. Back then, there was very little media pressure, no grass roots internet fan revolts, etc.....
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In those days they didn't have the luxury of free agency to help turn fortunes around.

Free agents at that time were guys that were no longer wanted by their previous teams.

ChiefsCountry 09-18-2013 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9990257)
Milk: Steadman was moved out of the GM role in 1976. He was still in the front office, but worked on stuff like player contracts and stadium improvement and such after that point. In 1976 Jim Schaaf was the GM, and stayed until 1988, when King Carl was hired. One of the reasons Steadman got out of the GM chair was because he sucked at evaluating talent, and wanted the scouts and coaches to make the picks after that. They didn't do a very good job until Marty and Carl got here, although they got a couple decent players like Maas and Neil Smith prior to 1988.

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