Hypothetical: Pioli and Crennel are gone. You get your choice for new Head Coach, and
 

he doesn't draft a QB until the mid to late rounds. He's acquired a retread to start off with. Are you satisfied?

No.

NO, enough with the retreads.

**** no.

You can do better than this Floppy

I want a first round QB, first and foremost.
I have been wanting this since about 1986, and was all in for Quinn in 2007. Who they hire for a HC doesn't really matter to me if they don't go QB in the first.

No QB worth a top 5 pick so I say fine.

I'm curious as to just how much this fanbase expects to all happen in the course of the next 6 months. I mean, Pioli and Crennel should be gone. However, next you have to find a head coach that is going to make this fanbase excited, and he has to go out and draft a QB. Less than that, and this place is going to explode. Hey, I understand. I'm of the same mindset, I'm just thinking that we are asking for a lot to happen. What if the guy we all want doesn't like Geno, or Tyler, or whoever? How much are we going to like him, then?

Clark has his work cut out for him. We'll see how well he does...

I give everyone a chance to prove themselves.

If he doesn't want to take a QB high this year that's his prerogative. He's the professional, not me.

In three years if it's the wrong decision and he refuses to fix it, I'll start updating a weekly document about how much HE ****ing sucks, too.

I'm thinking the only reason it doesn't happen is there's nothing there in the coaches eyes. I think I could be optimistic the first couple of years. But if there isn't a move up in the draft to get the guy, then I start freaking out all over again.

That said, I think Clark is going to make it clear he wants a QB out of this draft at the top of the board.

And there you have it. Maybe there is a HOF right guard in the draft? Woot!

Sure, it's a lot, but cleaning house is a given. Something is seriously, seriously wrong with the organization if that doesn't happen. The QB situation might be a little different.. outsiders might not know the history of incompetence... derp, they just won the AFCW a couple of seasons ago, but again, it's so freakin' obvious, especially if they have the 1st pick in the draft.

Considering what we pay for tickets, parking, etc; asking for some competence in the front office isn't greedy, and hell, I'd even make the argument that we aren't asking for that much... any owner with a pulse should clean house and tell the new GM they're drafting a QB. It's common sense.

you're not serous are you?

Why would anyone be happy? I can't any way anyone would be happy with that.

You're right. I worded that terribly. I'm going to change it to satisfied.

I dunno, I think you have to take that chance... hell, even this team could have a couple more wins right now, and you never know when you'll have your next shot at taking the best QB available.

In with NO!


Fortunatly I believe the new GM & HC will be smart enough to know our QBs are all shit & if they want to win they need to start by drafting one with our first pick.

I don't think this is a hypothetical

I know we all want a 1st round QB but there's going to be a chance, however slight, that the guy we hire is a ****ing genius and will know another way to get a stud QB.

So if the guy trades a 2nd for the next Brett Favre, or signs the next Len Dawson from free agency, or drafts the next Tom Brady in the 6th, or takes the next Drew Brees or Ken Stabler or Joe Montana in the 2nd or 3rd, or the next Unitas or Theismann in the 4th, and so on and so on...be patient.

We're all drunk on the idea of a first round QB, but we have to accept the fact that MAYBE, just MAYBE, we'll get lucky some other way.

Shit happens.

If he's the smartest GM EVAR and he knows he can get a better QB another way, he doesn't have to take that chance.

ACCEPT THE FACT THAT ONE DAY A CHIEFS GM SMARTER THAN CHIEFSPLANET MAY EXIST!

My Choices Are:
 

I really would like to see Bill Kuharich back in KC as GM,very talented player evaluator and has KC ties.

MY choice for head coach is:Dirk Koetter-present OC for Falcons,whom according to ESPN almost got the Denver job instead of Fox.

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Shit does happen, but odds say it won't.

:spock:

this is the best post I've seen on CP in years

**** you, I have been patient for 43 years now. They have been trying to do the above shit for 30 years now, **** that, it aint working.

You joined November of 2012, are you a mult? Who are you? That post ****ing sucks.

Jfc you guys are mult paranoid. You don't have to sign up to read.

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Like Clay said, I don't care WHERE they get a franchise QB, just that they get one.


However, I do believe that the first round is the best place to get one, er go, draft one early.

My skin is going to crawl the instant we don't take a QB in the first, too.

But I'm willing to let any GM we hire have enough rope to hang himself.

In the end, it PROBABLY doesn't matter, because I have a gut feeling Clark is going to demand a first round QB be taken.

Actually, I'm fairly certain this has already happened and is probably a part of the initial conversation with the prospective GM's or coach.

Pretty sure you're not serious, but they've been trying to get lucky for decades. Sure, if Geno Smith scores a 2 on the Wonderlic or starts working out with JaMarcus Russel in the offseason, then come up with another plan. No need to make it complicated though.

Sure... it's not like we have any other choice. Just like with a new QB, you have to give him a few years... but, unless there is some other master plan, that would be a terrible start.

as long as we try as hard to get the qb situation fixed as Pete in Seattle has, I'm good.

Not paranoid at all, just wanted to know. If you are someone else, I don't want to guess so I asked. There is a bunch of them on here and I can't keep track.

Clay, some of us were getting frustrated with this by the time they traded for Montana, and he is the guy that made you a Chief's fan, so excuse us if we are getting a little sick of the crap.

I gave Pioli the benefit of the doubt, and we know how that turned out.

YOu're actually hitting on something pretty good here.


I don't care if/how/when you get one, just show that you realize how important the position is and how imperative it is that you get one.

I am.

If those other NFL teams could find stud QBs outside the first round, it could happen to us.

I mean, shit, Trent Green wasn't a first round pick and he would have won a SB here most likely if we had been decent on defense. He played a perfect playoff game in which two TD passes were dropped, a third was called back due to a BS penalty, and the kicker shanked a gimme. And Priest fumbled. He was good enough to beat Peyton that day.

So, ya know.

Flop, I love you, but this is a pretty stupid question.

The answer is no.

No, it wasn't. I knew it would be lopsided, but I didn't expect it to be this lopsided. I think it's actually kind of stupid to say "YOU BETTER FIRE PIOLI! AND ROMEO! AND HIRE A STUD, NEW GM! AND HIRE A YOUNG, HUNGRY, HEAD COACH THAT ALL OF US WANT! OH, AND HE BETTER DRAFT A QB NUMBER 1! AND HE BETTER WIN A SUPER BOWL IN HIS FIRST TWO YEARS! AND IT BETTER BE A DYNASTY! AND HE BETTER NEVER LEAVE US!"

Pioli is gone, RAC is gone, new GM, and a good looking HC, and whatever they decide, I'm good with. Because I'm reasonable.

AND HE BETTER SIGN X,Y, AAAAAAND Z FREE AGENTS!

All that said, I still want Chocolate Pain...

-Fire Pioli and Crennel

-Draft a QB at #1 overall

It's not ****ing hard.

Here's another question for you guys.

Say we get a 3rd round pick for Carr. Would you turn and flip that and a 5 rounder to the Eagles for Maclin?

drafting a qb is more important than a coach or a gm...

changing everything only to do the exact same stupid shit we've done for decades defies all ****ing logic

i am done with the chiefs if we don't draft a QB

This thread is a retread.

So if Clark comes out on Dec. 31st and says Pioli and RAC are staying, but we're drafting Geno, you're good?

I would.

Honestly, I read "retread" as "reerun" the first time. No lie.

This should demonstrate how I would feel about the proposed situation.

Flopnuts, a smart GM has to realize what he's dealing with in KC.

He's dealing with a divided, hurt, and alienated fan base. The feel like nobody listens to them- not the ownership, not the players, not the NFL... nobody.

He's dealing with a franchise that hasn't proved to the fans that they're willing to roll the dice and try to win since 1983. Chance after chance after chance has been passed over because Kansas City has brought in GM after GM after GM who thinks they're smarter than everybody else.

I don't care if the Chiefs actually do hire a guy who IS smarter than everybody else. It's not the time to swing your dick around like that. If he so desperately wants veteran QB X, then go ****ing get him. But also draft a goddamn franchise QB FFS.

It's time. There are no more excuses. None.

You can go ahead and accept their excuses and lies. I've had e****ingnough.

no, i'm not good...obviously those clowns deserve to be fired

but the QB is the most important thing...he will be here after those frauds are finally fired

if we don't draft a QB, we aren't serious about winning...my tolerance for this lack of seriousness is gone (after decades)...

2013: 30 years since the Chiefs last seriously tried to address the QB position in a meaningful way.

This is the disconnect. It's not a GM's job to worry about a fanbase's current feelings. Because feelings change when winning happens. It's his job to build a winner. So the fact is, if we hire a guy I think is a good GM, I'm not gonna freak out if he doesn't take a QB. Just like you shouldn't. However, if Slappy McSlapdick gets hired and doesn't take one, **** it, abandon ship.

I don't disagree with you at all. It is time. But if a GM comes in and assesses the situation and thinks he can do better another way, I'll give him a little time to get it done. A little...

P.S - I still want Chocolate Pain. The point is, I'm not a pro. And none of you guys are either. At least not yet.

Here's what I don't get about Flopnuts' reasoning.

We're not asking for a laundry list 20,000 items long. We're asking for TWO things. Two. Count'em. Two.

Fire Pioli.

Draft a QB at #1.

That's it.

So hire whoever the **** you want to do whatever the **** you want, just fire Pioli and draft a QB? Bullshit.

Tomorrow Ray Farmer is announced as your new GM, and his first course of action is to hire Brian Schottenheimer to come in and be the head coach of the Chiefs. You're good? No way...

I want geno pretty bad, but I would be temporarily satisfied with a new gm and head coach of my choice.

My only stipulation is that cassel is cut from the team, he will forever be terrible.

I'm with clay on this one.

Quarterback is a deal-breaker, in terms of turning things around. If they don't find a franchise player behind center, they're not going to go anywhere, not in today's NFL. And let's be serious here, has any team valued the position less than Kansas City? Aside from Trent Green for a 1st (and people will debate his value; I think he was more than capable of winning a championship), they haven't made any real effort to reliably shore up the position in the last two decades. We have a long string of other teams' backups, journeymen players, and other bargain basement options.

A retread only works if it's someone along the lines of Drew Brees (or again, Green, although people will still debate his value to this day). And, I'm sorry, but that just doesn't happen very often. It's an aberration, not something you can count on, not a reliable way of doing business. The only way you're going to pick up a starter from another team is either a) when he's on the downside of his career (like Manning), or b) when a team has two starting caliber QBs and they can't keep them both (who's had that since SD in '06?). Aside from that, NFL teams simply do not let quality quarterbacks go. And that's why, when you're in a position to do it, you absolutely MUST draft one.

Which is why, if they're sitting there with the 1st pick in april, and they don't draft a quarterback, then I'm just not going to believe there's any conceivable way that this franchise is going to turn itself around.

And as far as the head coach goes, he's far less important in my mind than whoever they get behind center. Which is not to say he's not very important, but this franchise will continue to swirl around the bowl if they keep running out the kind of quarterbacks that are available in free agency or for 2nd round picks.

This year is their opportunity, and they'd better not waste it. You don't get to pick #1 (or #2, if that's where they fall) very often. Assuming they lose out (which they may not; this franchise loves to shoot itself in the foot) they aren't going to have to move to get it done, so there won't be any real excuses like when Ryan or Stafford went a few picks earlier.

Like I said. If new GM doesn't like Geno but likes Glennon, then he can draft Glennon at #1. I'll be pissed, but I'm not jumping ship. I'll give him a chance.

If new GM really wants Matt Flynn, then he can go get Matt Flynn. In the meantime, that #1 pick is still sitting there with subpar DEs and LTs waiting to get drafted there. We also have a franchise LT and WR1 who need new contracts. There's only one solution for that pick.

Farmer and Schott aren't Pioli and Crennel. So that fulfills item #1.

Are they going to draft Geno? If yes, that fulfills item #2.

So I would give that tandem a chance.

i'm trying to be nice...

obviously we all want a great coach and gm to be hired

but the bottom line is simple....you have to draft a QB with the #1 pick

end of story

any other answer is pussy bullshit, a cop out, the same loser nonsense we lived with for decades

the amount of energy chiefs fans spend trying to justify not drafting a QB is frankly amazing...and depressing

See, this is the kind of logic that makes me think the QB is more important than the GM (which is really what this is about), but really it's just mental masturbation. We need both.

****. I have to give you rep for this.

Dude, I'm not trying to justify it at all. Just throwing out some discussion. I've been on the franchise QB or bust train as long as anyone.

He's more important in the grand scheme of things, but you can't have a great one with a shitty other.


So yeah, you need both.

But if I could have Tom Brady, I'd keep Pioli. But thats the reason we are having this conversation. It's not because I don't think the GM isn't as important as the QB, it's that you have to have a GM that realizes HE isn't the most important thing and he has to GET the most important thing.

Not your fault...he has anger issues!

So really, the QB is more important than the GM and coach to you. That's fine. That's what I'm wrestling with. See, I think Geno is ****ing wasted on guys like that. He washes out of the league, busts, those guys get fired, and we call for it to happen all over again in 30 years.

And that's really my fear. We don't hire the right guys, we draft a QB, he busts, and we **** it off for 30 more years because we may get another Todd Blackledge.

Yeah. I have to give rep for this.

We need both. And in the situation you provide where the GM doesn't think these QBs are good enough, he's still not getting us both. He's doing EXACTLY what Pioli ****ing did. He's punting on the QB issue. He's folding with J Q suited before the flop because he believes the ante is too high.

Don't be like Pioli. Draft the QB or get AIDS

I think the QB is potentially more important than the GM. Although on the flip side you need a GM savvy enough to select the right QB.

It's a difficult discussion, because on one hand I think there's actually too much being put on QB shoulders, pro and con - there are 10 other players on the field for the offense at any one time, but on the other, you just can't win without one. Not anymore. Well, I mean, you can technically win, but which position do you want to be in: one of the 5 or 6 teams with an actual franchise-caliber QB, who are always in the playoff picture, regardless of who else is on the field; or, one of the other 26 or 27 teams who bounces around between 6-10 and 10-6, and might have a shot at being the one team without a franchise QB to win a superbowl every 8 or 10 years.

And obviously, there's no guarantee that the player you draft will actually be a franchise quarterback. But I'll tell you this much: I guaran-damn-tee that offensive tackle or defensive end or corner isn't going to be a franchise QB either. Meaning you aren't going to get one if you don't try. And there just isn't a more valuable thing to try and get.

This is where you gotta hope the FO realizes that risk is worth the reward and keeps going after it.

True.

Great GMs and coaches come from ****ed up situations all the time.

Great QBs usually do not.

Straight to my shit list, booing him on opening day.

I'm convinced there have been some great QB's that have busted like a mother****er due to horrendous coaching. Alex Smith, and Brady Quinn are two of those guys.

I was a big quinn fan back in the day (at least I think i was), but all the questions that were raised about him prior to that draft obviously had some validity.

I always thought David Carr was a guy who got ****ed by circumstance. It's one thing to be Roethlisberger or Rodgers getting sacked 2000 times in your 4th or 5th season; it's another to get sacked 2000 times as a rookie. Then again, people who watched the texans a lot will tell you he straight up sucked. So maybe that was it.

As far as alex smith goes, I don't think I was ever a believer there. He had WCO qb written all over him right from the start.

This is really a thread fail. I've been on drafting a QB literally as long as anyone. I just know that we're going to need EVERYTHING, literally everything to line up for us. I guess we have most of it lined up. We just need Clark to make the right moves, and get the right guys in here to make it happen.

Thats why you pair Geno with Cowher and roll on............................Ha





(I'm sure this will get a rise, fire away)

Sweet JFC NO.

Things are lining up. The question is whether they'll choose to take advantage of it. Like I said, #1 isn't a position that you find yourself in very often. And while I realize I just said something about how I think coaches in some ways have less value than quarterbacks, I really do think that Romeo Crennel has been as responsible for the failure this season as Matt Cassel has. His soft philosophy has just destroyed the team. Now maybe I'm just a moon-brained homer, and maybe there isn't any talent here at all, but I think this is the kind of situation where a change in philosophy (something we've been talking about needing for literally years; the team's been soft since at least 2001) could legitimately lead to a quick and dramatic turnaround. But it does need to be the right GM, the right coach, and of course a QB who can actually get the job done.

Unfortunately we've seen what the wrong GM, the wrong coach(es) and of course the wrong QBs get you. And I'm not just talking about Pioli and Haley/Crennel and Cassel when I say that.

you're just over thinking it

obviously we need a competent gm and coach

but it is more important to get the QB right...one, because they're the rarest commodity...you can hire and fire coaches and gms every year if you want to....but you can only draft the qbs that are available that year and only if you're in a draft position to do so

and two, because they're simply more important...we can all list coaches and gms that we think only won titles because of the QB...the reverse is basically unheard of