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Mecca 01-11-2009 12:55 AM

Thigpen outplayed Ryan really.......is 54% better than 61% now?

KCJohnny 01-11-2009 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5378337)
Thigpen outplayed Ryan really.......is 54% better than 61% now?

Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.

Tribal Warfare 01-11-2009 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 5378330)
IF statistically speaking, Thigpen outplayed Ryan and Flacco as first year starters (which he did) why would we be talking about drafting his replacement?

Crabtree...Monroe...Oher...Brown...Orakpo should be our top choices

If Sanchez(declares) or Stafford aren't available I'm starting to believe that KC might trade down and select Aaron Curry.

Basileus777 01-11-2009 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 5378342)
Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.

Even if one accepts all those things as true, statistically speaking, Thigpen still did not outplay Ryan or Flacco.

Mecca 01-11-2009 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 5378342)
Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.

Yes drafting a real QB will really set back this 2-14 team and it's ability to run the gimmick spread offense...

Whatever will we do!

KCJohnny 01-11-2009 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5378343)
If Sanchez(declares) or Stafford aren't available I'm starting to believe that KC might trade down and select Aaron Curry.

Everything I have heard about Curry says he's a slam dunk for the NFL. Heaven knows in the Cover Who we have a sucking chest wound at ILB.

Basileus777 01-11-2009 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5378346)
Yes drafting a real QB will really set back this 2-14 team and it's ability to run the gimmick spread offense...

Whatever will we do!

Who do you want with the 3rd pick if Stafford is gone? IIRC you aren't a fan of Bradford.

Mecca 01-11-2009 01:03 AM

You don't take LB's with top 5 picks unless you're a 3-4 team taking a rush backer which is like taking a DE in a 3-4, got it?

Mecca 01-11-2009 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5378349)
Who do you want with the 3rd pick if Stafford is gone? IIRC you aren't a fan of Bradford.

Give me some kind of clarification of who's in the draft and who's been picked and I'll give you my answer.

Basileus777 01-11-2009 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5378353)
Give me some kind of clarification of who's in the draft and who's been picked and I'll give you my answer.

Let's say Stafford and Andre Smith are gone.

KCJohnny 01-11-2009 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5378345)
Even if one accepts all those things as true, statistically speaking, Thigpen still did not outplay Ryan or Flacco.

Uh, completion % and QB rating are not the only stats. Thigpen threw, ran or caught for 22 TDs, way more than either Flacco or Ryan. And he had to dig an offense out of a hole after playing back up to the back up QB all camp and early in the season and could not count on his _efense for anything.

I commend both Ryan and Flacco for guiding their teams to 11-5 seasons and the playoffs. But they have far superior supporting casts.

Tribal Warfare 01-11-2009 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5378351)
You don't take LB's with top 5 picks unless you're a 3-4 team taking a rush backer which is like taking a DE in a 3-4, got it?

Dude, I said trade down, but "you can't pick this player at this point" is getting tired. If that player is A LB and the BPA you select him (Derrick Thomas, Junior Seau)

Mecca 01-11-2009 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5378355)
Let's say Stafford and Andre Smith are gone.

Is Sanchez in the draft?

KCJohnny 01-11-2009 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5378351)
You don't take LB's with top 5 picks unless you're a 3-4 team taking a rush backer which is like taking a DE in a 3-4, got it?

And by draft time, we might be just that, got it?

BigMeatballDave 01-11-2009 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 5378342)
Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.

:doh!: Not this shit again...:rolleyes:


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