yeah, because that's totally a parallel situation.

UDFA vs. a consensus late first rounder.

Whatever.

You really believe Bolton is the second coming of Mike Singletary considering how snide your rebuttal is

I love this time of year. So full of promise. We just drafted Sam Mills, Mike Webster, Charles Haley, Dez Bryant, Travis Kelce, and Larry Allen.

So true LMAO

Right, because Sippio was projected to be a 1st rounder.

Also who would you have picked to address the MLB position for those who were actually available?

It is weird, when Skip Bayless loves this pick- quote- "when Bolton hits someone, they stay hit" but Chiefs fans hate it. Reverse world.

:hmmm:

Weird how?

I would say Skip loving it is plenty reason to be worried...

Terrified.

Jabril Cox was available in 4th

Jabril Cox is not a middle linebacker.

He’s a WLB and a pass defense specialist at that.

:facepalm:

Completely different player and skill set.

You clearly don’t get it.

Also, it’s pretty obvious that the NFL doesn’t see Cox as anything more than a sub package LB because guys that are as good in coverage as him don’t usually go in round 4.

I don't think anyone is saying that, but most seem pleased with how the Chiefs drafted.

Why would such a stud LB (not a MLB, but whatever) last until the 4th? Why was Bolton rated and projected higher than Cox?

No he was not. Cowboys picked him in the third. I had my eye on him. Never dreamed Bolton would fall to us. Bolton is the better player.

Rumor is Jabril Cox fell bc of medical. He had a hamstring injury that made him miss offseason activities including his pro day.

Big steal for Dallas getting that kid in rd 4

ESPN has him as being drafted in the 4th. Perhaps you were thinking of someone else?

A hamstring injury?

Yea I’m not buying that as the sole reason.

Sounds like our shiny new guard.

Dang, guess my days were running together. I heard them call his name and looked up. I too am surprised he lasted that long.

With that said, Cowboys defense is gonna suck. We will murder them. They shoulda picked that Alabama DT in the second. Pats got him. Huge mistake.

In the Times Ours pod Nate Taylor said that Bolton was a “safe” player. JFC LMAO

What exactly is wrong with that?

Can you make up your mind? In one thread you were claiming you’re all about production, but in this one it’s about athleticism/upside.

Some of you assholes are going to be eating a ton of crow if he turns out to be good.

He was pick 58.....not pick 10. If he turns out to be Hitchens or better than it was a good pick.

Pathetic that some Gay U "Chiefs fans" want this pick to fail simply because he played for the good guys in college.

Gonna be great when Nick proves all of them wrong and tears it up for us.

Yep, "safe picks" are role players who can be solid

That's awesome. Thanks for sharing that.

Also everyone always moans that you should pick the BPA and not to fit needs.

Bolton was the top player left on most people's boards and everyone moans about it.

Mere hours away from Hitler being mentioned.

I hope he’s the new Darius Leonard but the pick was weird as hell. Not like what they usually draft

I'm interested to see if we play more nickel defense this year compared to last year now that we have a little more versatility at the linebacker spot with Nick Bolton essentially taking Damien Wilson's roster spot. Added to that, hopefully, is Gay taking the next step and gaining comfort in the scheme.

Spags rolled out a ton of dime defense last year, especially in the playoffs. We had the bodies at DB to do that, but I think we'll see more packages with two linebackers this year vs last year.

One thing Bolton has shown on tape is that he knows how to play an area in zone coverage, which is something we really lacked last year and why Nieman got so many snaps.

No, I think he's a high caliber starting linebacker prospect.

I expect he'll play significant snaps in '21, and I expect he'll take Hitchens job in '22.

I think given his instincts, intelligence, and the playmaking ability he shows on tape he's a good, solid bet to be a good NFL linebacker for us as we chase championships for the next several years.

If you want to argue that you're leery of the 4th and 5th round picks due to being athletic projections and short on production in college, I can understand that.

Both second round picks were top flight prospects at their positions and it seems nutty to disregard the tape as well as literally every single projection and declare either of them 'rotational players' as their potential ceiling.

Barring injury, Bolton is going to be a fine LB. He's just good at football.

I think I was the first one to say NICK ****ING BOLTON on the CP draft day thread before the CHIEFS selected NICK ****ING BOLTON!

Wow hope you got a cookie for that

Filet mignon and shrimp scampi :thumb:

The pick shouldn’t have surprised anyone really that much, especially when you take a step back.

We had a giant hole at one of base LB positions.

We were one injury away to Hitch or Gay from seeing Ben Niemann FULL TIME. That is how your defense takes a turn for the worst fast.

We needed a long term solution to take over for Hitchens when he is a cap casualty next year.

As Franchise pointed out, if Bolton becomes 2020 Anthony Hitchens, that’s a great pick. A guy who is a great leader and does a solid to good job in all phases, lines everyone up (making everyone else better).

He doesn’t need to be the athletic run-and-chase freak LB, we need Gay to become that guy. And Bolton will make a lot of plays that way too I think, but it’s the intangible stuff he really is coming in to take over once Hitchens is moved on.

I've come around. I wasnt excited about taking a LB'er who isnt of the Ryan Shazier type with our first pick. But theres no doubt that was our absolute weakest group last year, maybe even after the offensive line was decimated.

Yep.

At WORST, it's a lateral move that frees up a big chunk of cap space.

I can't believe people actually hate this pick that much.

It's every bit the pick that Humphrey was.

Yep.

Humphrey could be a stalwart OL for 10 years , Bolton could be love/hate player having decent to solid games then having absolutely dreadful games questioning if he can blackmail the FO & Coaching staff with pictures of them participating in a Mexican donkey show.

Sorry man, you're letting emotion cloud your judgement.

Your last sentence is pure nonsense.

That's what he'll be a Peaks and valley's player because of his average athletic ability because if he reads a play wrong he's ****ed because he can't recover

He was an all-SEC linebacker known for being the opposite of up and down.

Have you even watched him play? Go read some scouting reports, you'll find that what you're saying has no basis in actual reality.

How's that? If there aren't any weaknesses to his game then he'd be a 1st round pick.

Hence the love-hate element.

There are weaknesses to his game. "Up and down" isn't one of them, however. Neither is lack of speed.

His biggest weakness is how he processes the game and the fact that he is somewhat hesitant in his reads. That can be coached.

He also lacks ideal size but that has nothing to do with closing speed.

As for him being a 1st round pick, he was a 1st round pick on nearly every board out there.

Sorry man but you're way off base here. There are definitely things about his game that aren't ideal but "inconsistent" isn't even close to being a problem.

Chris Simms breaks down Lord Nick of House Bolton. I've time stamped the video for your convenience.

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His short area speed is worse than Tamba's, but we'll find out if he's maxed out but some of you are acting like he's a future all-pro.

Lol wtf. Based on what?

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

I never said he was a future all-pro. In fact, if you had actually been paying attention instead of making up stuff to bitch about, you'd know that I've said I don't think he'll be an all-pro. I don't think he has that kind of upside.

You've given in to histrionics man. Come back to reality.

Not bitching at all, but just want individuals to temper their expectations, because if the safe football player moniker is telling what to expect.

Yeah but...what are you basing this off of?

He’s a straight line short area speed type of player. As in you better make the right read because his lateral and side to side speed is below average

My expectations are already tempered. I said as much the minute he was drafted.

But there's a difference between being realistic about his upside and flat out hating the pick.

Some of the stuff being said about him isn't even remotely true.

I honestly don't get it.

People LOVED the Gay pick and then bitched all year that he wasn't getting on the field.

The Chiefs turn around and take the opposite approach this year and people hate it?

It doesn't make any sense to me at all.

The Devin Bush comparison is an interesting and apt one... if you say he's Devin Bush minus the elite-elite athleticism (so about 80-85 percent of Devin Bush).

He's a smart LB who will QB the defense, defend the run well, handle short area pass defense adequately against most targets, and in general be an above-average contributor.

In all, that's a pretty good player and a solid get in the second round.

Again, can you make up your mind?

When it comes to Kaindoh, you’re all about production.

Well, Bolton was the SEC leading tackler. He’s an extremely productive guy that looks more athletic on tape, in terms of play speed, than you guys are giving him credit for.

So which is it? Do you want production or athleticism? Because you’re really contradicting yourself with your criticism of those two picks.

You ideally want both. As in what 4 of our 6 drafted players have.

Yea, but you don’t get elite production AND elite athleticism outside of the 1st round.

If you want to hit a HR or you want a really good and safe football player, you aren’t getting both.

WHY DIDN’T WE DRADT LUKE KEUCHLY AT #58!?!?!?!?

The Chiefs got their high upside freakish athleticism/size LB last year in the 2nd round. They also got a good/safe football player at edge rusher on day 3.

This year, they got a good/safe football player at LB in the 2nd, and a high upside freakish athleticism/size guy at edge rusher on day 3.

We didn’t need another Gay and Danna this year. We needed a future replacement for Hitchens that can make all of the calls and be a leader on D, along with a high upside edge rusher that could be a long term starter.

You can get good production outside of the first rd. Circumstance dictates that and Humphrey, Gray, Powell and Smith are shining examples of it

Yea you can get good production and good athleticism outside of the 1st round.

Bolton has elite production.

Kaindoh has elite athleticism/size.

There’s an obvious difference.

Creed Humphrey had elite production and elite athleticism. No sacks allowed and started at OU as a Sophomore. 2X Big 12 OL of the year. 2nd team All Big 12 as a sophomore. 2X All Big 12 First team as a Jr and Sr

Cornell Powell was top 20 in yards and TD’s in all of CFB on a stacked team and he tested very well for his size.

Trey Smith was an absolute monster. 2X All SEC first team. Elite athleticism/measurables

LMAO

Humphrey and Smith are unique in that they play OL, and in particular IOL.

You can’t quantify “production” on the OL and you get those kinds of guys outside of round 1 only because of positional value (or in Smith’s case injury concerns as well).

I think it’s definitely debatable that Smith had elite production. He’s a bit more of a projection based on size and athleticism and plenty of flashes on tape. He’s not there yet though, which is why he won’t be starting until next year at least.

Humphrey might be the one guy I wouldn’t push back much on, but between a VERY deep OL class and positional value, he is absolutely the rare exception to the rule.

Powell is such a weak attempt it’s laughable. He wasn’t productive at all until the last several games of his entire career, and his measurables are absolutely not elite.

I’m not using the word elite nearly as lightly as you are. Bolton’s production and Kaindoh’s athleticism are truly elite.

Yeah, I am a Jayhawk, and I love this pick. He is just a football player. He doesn't care what his 40 time is, or his shuttle time, etc. He just makes tackles, and then makes more tackles, and then blows someone up, and goes back to making tackles.

I think he is going to be a big favorite, if not by mid-season, surely by the end of the season. In a couple of years when he is leading the team in tackles and is running the defense, people here will be claiming that they always knew he would turn out so well.

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He's busy shooting gophers up here in Montana.

Damn veach to hell what was he thinking drafting this guy? He better pull his head out of his ass and get this draft business figured out. Bolton is going to make someone feel pretty foolish by yrs end

I can't wait to see Bolton destroying running backs. We have sucked against the run, he should help a lot.

Probably because our LBer core ****ing sucks and Bolton was the best in the SEC. Check out his highlights sometime.

Watched every Mizzou game & this dude was the most dominant player on the field. I fully expected him to go in the top half of the first round.

:clap:

Can't wait to see him play! So pumped for this pick!

DJ wasn't the best linebacker, but he really had a knack for hitting a gap and taking out a ball carriers legs. He could never really cover anyone out of the backfield or a TE, but he was just a tackling machine.

I feel like Bolton is going to fill the vacancy that's been there since DJ left. I have read some articles talking about how smart he is, and that he can pick up a defensive scheme quickly, and I hope that's the case, and he can help Gay understand what's going on too.

I wasn't born until 1971, but I have watched a lot of old games, and we have never really had a dominant linebacking duo since Willie Lanier and Bobby Bell. While Bolton and Gay will obviously never be on that level, I am hoping that they can develop together under Spags and be considered very good players together.

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Looks like we will have 2 Landlords collecting rent- one in the backfield and then Bolton on the line. :thumb:

Just heard a very interesting comparison: Lavonte David

I can definitely see that comparison too. Similar size, athleticism and play style. Ironically David was drafted in the 2nd rd at pick 58 like Bolton.

If this kid is anything close to David it’s a great pick

Ran into Mitch Morse at KCI on this past Thurs.

He was with wife/kid.

Lives in KC in offseason, some prob knew that but I didn't.

He was on his way back up to NY.

Loves the Nick Bolton pick for KC, but doesn't wanna have to play him....says dude just has a nastiness about him. Says he'll know soon enough lol.

Told him good luck this next season except vs KC.

Kansas City Chiefs signed second-round draft pick Nick Bolton to $5.834 million contract that includes $1.602 million signing bonus.

We got him signed.

DROY inbound.

God I can imagine Veach, Andy, Spags and the rest of the staff watching this shit 3 months ago and saying..holy shit we have to get a LB.

Sorenson and Neimann as our backers was a disaster, no matter the down

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Statistically speaking, Lavonte David has easily been the best 4-3 LB over the last 10 years, which is impressive considering he's played alongside guys like Bobby Wagner and Luke Keuchly.

A player like him could transform our defense.

EVERY LB is going to struggle with pulling OL in their face. Keep your eyes off the LB's and watch ****ing KPass get completely stoned 1-on-1 by a tight end.

****ing sorry ass shit.

Or Chris Jones not lining up properly?

The left side of the defensive line (KPass and Wharton) was simply ass on that play. No effort at all.