Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15445883)

Depends on what you consider a bust. I think Tua will have a 10 year career assuming he stays healthy. I just don't think he ever develops into your prototypical franchise QB. He'll be in that Teddy Bridgwater tier of QB's. Imo.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15445819)

Louis Riddick was on ESPN today basically ripping the shit out of people for saying the Dolphins should draft a QB and "The expectations people have for young QBs is ridiculous"

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15445901)

Ok. I think he will be better than Goff and Dak Prescott, IF he stays healthy. My biggest worry on him was the injuries and just getting through the season behind Miami's young OL.

The downside to Tua is you need to invest more in OL than your average top college prospect.

He should not have played this year, IMO.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15445892)

I agree that it's too early to draft another QB. Tua showed enough to cock tease you. I just don't think he's any good under pressure and can't throw into tight windows. He's reluctant, almost gun shy. Kinda robotic like a Daniel Jones. He doesn't exude god-given talent like some of these other guys. He's going to have to work really ****ing hard at it, and i think he WILL, as he seems like a hard working, high character guy. But his ceiling will always be limited by his talent. That's my 2-cents at least.

I see him as a capable NFL QB at leading a low-powered offense with a focus on not turning the ball over and playing defense. I don't see him as ever being "the man".

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 15445913)

That's an apt slotting, I'd only alter that he's better than Goff but not as good as Dak. 18-22 range of rank among 32 starters. Competent to be a safe choice for a good team, but not necessarily something you would invest all your eggs in no matter what, . . but also not something you are in desperation mode to replace no matter what either, . . . dare I say Alexian, as is the parlance hereabouts?

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15445926)

Goff gets 30 million a year. He wins games.

Yes, from our (KC) standpoint that isn't that exciting but there is a reason NFL teams pay Goff, pay Dak. You don't just grab anyone off the shelf as a replacement.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 15445913)

That's an apt slotting, I'd only alter that he's better than Goff but not as good as Dak. 18-22 range of rank among 32 starters. Competent to be a safe choice for a good team, but not necessarily something you would invest all your eggs in no matter what, . . but also not something you are in desperation mode to replace no matter what either, . . . dare I say Alexian, as is the parlance hereabouts?

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 15445933)

As soon as the new contract went into place where they control the pay by slot and position, I said teams should draft a QB in 1st round each year.

Why not keep trying till you get your franchise QB.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 15445943)

What exactly do you think you're disagreeing with me on here?

Unless I'm misreading and you're simply echoing and amplifying.

I agree, he's not exciting but he's not a disaster. About at the level where you keep alert for the opportunity to improve, but don't panic for a quick replacement.

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 15445933)

As soon as the new contract went into place where they control the pay by slot and position, I said teams should draft a QB in 1st round each year.

Why not keep trying till you get your franchise QB.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15445898)

Expectations have changed. Too many QB's coming out of the draft now and finding early success.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 15445907)

The expectations for young QBs OVERALL have been skewed by Mahomes, and to a lesser extent Allen and Herbert.

That doesn't make Tua any better, though. He's right and wrong. Very few QBs are Mahomesian, . . . some would say singular. But many QBs are still superior to Tua. Something may click for him at some point, but he's not on a trajectory for franchise quality.