Allen is also a tools QB but he didn't make the leap until year 3. I'm not advocating giving up on Tua, I agree that the expectations are ridiculous. I just think that it's tough to make it as a QB in the NFL when you don't have elite physical tools/arm talent.

Brees, Brady did ok for themselves.


Burrow does not have elite physical tools but is one of the best QB prospects I have seen come into the NFL.

There's more to QB than big arm, throw hard, run fast.

Burrow can make all the throws. Brees and Brady could make all the throws.

Tua has a significant deficiency throwing outside the numbers. That's going to severely limit his ability to excel in the NFL.

I completely agree, put a bunch of talent around him and coach the shit out of him... spending consecutive #1's on a QB is a huge waste of precious resources

And if that doesn’t work out, you draft another QB down the line with a team already in place.

Yup. They will never win a title with him and will waste any talent they accumulate

I agree with most of your draft analysis each year but I don't see Etienne being a good NFL back. His blitz pickup is softer than a marshmallow.

Why are you saying that?

I'm kind of mixed on the whole thing:

On one hand, he wasn't impressive in the time he had to play

On the other hand, he has only a handful of games, and probably not fair to judge him at that point

However, I'm just not seeing "it" with the guy, and he hasn't really shown me much of anything that suggests that he's going to be much more than what he is right now. Doesn't mean he can't, and of course, I don't get to see they guy every day taking reps nor do I get paid to make that decision (so hard to argue with people who do get paid to do so...)

But man, some of those games were just rough, and not necessarily because of the rookie learning curve (cough, cough Raiders game against a D that just loves to get torched....)

Did you see “it” with Josh Allen in year 1 or year 2?

*disclaimer, i’m not bitching, just asking

Tua actually looked decent against KC and had some decent drives near the end of the game despite nearly every skill position player seemingly leaving the game injured. Am I off on that? That’s the only game I actually watched him, but it seems pretty apparent he’s been bad in most other games.

Would you draft Sewell then considering Tua is a southpaw or would you go skill position like WR to give him another weapon?

Not sure what Allen has to do with Tua, but OK, here it goes:

Compared to Tua....yep, there were way more flashes by Allen in year one.

In regards to just Allen in Year 1....I felt about the same...very mixed. I also could see some good qualities along with the poor. You can't teach arm strength, and Allen did show some good instinctual ability to get out of the pocket and run. Of course, his accuracy sucked in year one, but some of that probably attributed to game speed and technique, which are somewhat workable. He also made the most boneheaded of decisions in the most inopportune times, so there were questions about that.

But, inevitably, the Bills were better with Allen than without. I don't know if I can say the same for the Fish at this point. They certainly weren't better with him than with Fitz

Tua, seems to have some good accuracy on his throws, but doesn't have the arm strength to really push the ball downfield. He seems to have enough instinctual sense to escape the pocket, but otherwise he just checks the ball down (he completed 3 more passes than Ryan Fitzpatrick, but had like 200 less yards)....He had the same YPA as Big Ben and Alex Smith and a shade above Sam Darnold.

But with that, I'm willing to concede that there is room for Tua to grow, hence "mixed" right now.....but I can definitively say that I didn't see anything that made me think "wow, this kid is going to be amazing when it all comes together". Even the most newest of rookies that turn out to be special are able to show those flashes, and I just didn't see it with him....

The thing I don’t get about Tua is in college he was this gunslinging menace. Downfield everywhere. Now he’s Alex Smith 2.0.

Talent disparity between Alabama vs their opponents and Miami vs theirs.