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DJ's left nut 01-24-2019 09:46 AM

STOOOOOOP!!!!!!

Seriously, do I have to put the whole 'Berry's 2019 salary is nearly fully guaranteed on the 3rd day of the league year' thing in my signature?

In what world do any of you think we're actually going to be able to cut him by then? He's not going to pass the standard player's physical, it will be attributed (rightly or wrongly) to a football injury and we will NOT be able to cut him absent an injury settlement. Dude's money is effectively guaranteed for 2019 at that point.

Seriously - I'd love to get him cut but that !@#$ing guarantee in 2019 is going to hamstring us. We're not getting rid of him because he milked that !@#$ing injury for all it's worth.

"I can't really talk about it..." = his representation knew exactly how to make sure that salary gets paid in 2019. Dude's going under the knife and he's not going to be ready to pass a physical by the first week of March. Once that comes/goes, we be ****ed regarding Eric Berry.

BryanBusby 01-24-2019 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14068918)
STOOOOOOP!!!!!!

Seriously, do I have to put the whole 'Berry's 2019 salary is nearly fully guaranteed on the 3rd day of the league year' thing in my signature?

In what world do any of you think we're actually going to be able to cut him by then? He's not going to pass the standard player's physical, it will be attributed (rightly or wrongly) to a football injury and we will NOT be able to cut him absent an injury settlement. Dude's money is effectively guaranteed for 2019 at that point.

Seriously - I'd love to get him cut but that !@#$ing guarantee in 2019 is going to hamstring us. We're not getting rid of him because he milked that !@#$ing injury for all it's worth.

"I can't really talk about it..." = his representation knew exactly how to make sure that salary gets paid in 2019. Dude's going under the knife and he's not going to be ready to pass a physical by the first week of March. Once that comes/goes, we be ****ed regarding Eric Berry.

People really want to ignore the obvious, I guess.

The Franchise 01-24-2019 02:37 PM

Joel Corry is on 610. Basically said you're looking at a minimum of the Fletcher Cox deal for Chris Jones.

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Fletcher Cox signed a 6 year, $102,600,000 contract with the Philadelphia Eagles, including a $26,000,000 signing bonus, $63,299,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $17,100,000.
He said that they're going to have to look at either trading or cutting Houston. He can't stay healthy.

The Franchise 01-24-2019 02:37 PM

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In58men 01-24-2019 03:07 PM

Austin-Seferian Jenkins released.

kccrow 01-24-2019 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14068918)
STOOOOOOP!!!!!!

Seriously, do I have to put the whole 'Berry's 2019 salary is nearly fully guaranteed on the 3rd day of the league year' thing in my signature?

In what world do any of you think we're actually going to be able to cut him by then? He's not going to pass the standard player's physical, it will be attributed (rightly or wrongly) to a football injury and we will NOT be able to cut him absent an injury settlement. Dude's money is effectively guaranteed for 2019 at that point.

Seriously - I'd love to get him cut but that !@#$ing guarantee in 2019 is going to hamstring us. We're not getting rid of him because he milked that !@#$ing injury for all it's worth.

"I can't really talk about it..." = his representation knew exactly how to make sure that salary gets paid in 2019. Dude's going under the knife and he's not going to be ready to pass a physical by the first week of March. Once that comes/goes, we be ****ed regarding Eric Berry.

Don't be stupid. Most NFL contracts are only guaranteed for injury as a result of playing football in an NFL game. Berry is a non-football injury. I highly doubt his contract guarantees. I'd actually be extremely surprised if it did. And, as far as your 3rd day concern goes, you cut that mother****er the 1st second of the new league year.

Buehler445 01-24-2019 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14071156)
Don't be stupid. Most NFL contracts are only guaranteed for injury as a result of playing football in an NFL game. Berry is a non-football injury. I highly doubt his contract guarantees. I'd actually be extremely surprised if it did. And, as far as your 3rd day concern goes, you cut that mother****er the 1st second of the new league year.

I suppose it is a discussion worth having. Is what he has a football injury? I don’t know the rules on this shit.

I just assumed it was a football injury and we are ****ed because Chiefs.

kccrow 01-25-2019 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 14071168)
I suppose it is a discussion worth having. Is what he has a football injury? I don’t know the rules on this shit.

I just assumed it was a football injury and we are ****ed because Chiefs.

Haglund's Deformity is 100% non-football related. It's a bony protrusion similar to a bone spur that forms on the back of the heel underneath the Achille's tendon. The Achilles rubbing on the spur causes pain and discomfort. The only "football" part is that cleats could cause more irritation than a normal pair of shoes with a softer back. That is not the cause of the deformity. It's not really an "injury" at all. It's a natural thing Berry's body did. Him not wearing certain kinds of shoes, like cleats, should help with the pain as would surgical removal of the spur. This has absolutely nothing to do with anything football other than playing football can make it more irritating.

Chris Meck 01-25-2019 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14071243)
Haglund's Deformity is 100% non-football related. It's a bony protrusion similar to a bone spur that forms on the back of the heel underneath the Achille's tendon. The Achilles rubbing on the spur causes pain and discomfort. The only "football" part is that cleats could cause more irritation than a normal pair of shoes with a softer back. That is not the cause of the deformity. It's not really an "injury" at all. It's a natural thing Berry's body did. Him not wearing certain kinds of shoes, like cleats, should help with the pain as would surgical removal of the spur. This has absolutely nothing to do with anything football other than playing football can make it more irritating.

well, I hope you're right and that's how it goes down. We need to move on at any rate; it's unlikely Berry plays meaningful football again, as I've been saying since like week 4.

Buehler445 01-25-2019 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14071243)
Haglund's Deformity is 100% non-football related. It's a bony protrusion similar to a bone spur that forms on the back of the heel underneath the Achille's tendon. The Achilles rubbing on the spur causes pain and discomfort. The only "football" part is that cleats could cause more irritation than a normal pair of shoes with a softer back. That is not the cause of the deformity. It's not really an "injury" at all. It's a natural thing Berry's body did. Him not wearing certain kinds of shoes, like cleats, should help with the pain as would surgical removal of the spur. This has absolutely nothing to do with anything football other than playing football can make it more irritating.

Yeah. I’d agree. But knowing the Chiefs there is some ****ing obscure rule about the length of time and the NFI list of some shit.

DJ's left nut 01-25-2019 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14071156)
Don't be stupid. Most NFL contracts are only guaranteed for injury as a result of playing football in an NFL game. Berry is a non-football injury. I highly doubt his contract guarantees. I'd actually be extremely surprised if it did. And, as far as your 3rd day concern goes, you cut that mother****er the 1st second of the new league year.

[Sigh]

You. Can't. Cut. Him. If. He. Can't. Pass. A. Physical.

The guarantee is just a guarantee on day 3. Not for injury or performance or any other qualifier - just a guarantee. But if a player cannot pass a standard player physical as a result of a football related surgery, you can't cut him. He wont pass by day 3 so your 'cut him on day 1' nonsense is prohibited.

There's a ZERO percent chance that his injury will be declared non-football related. Zero. If the chiefs thought that were a possibility they'd have put him on the NFI list and avoided his cap hit for this season.

What would you like to place on this? Hes getting the surgery, it will prohibit the Chiefs from cutting him and we're stuck with his salary in 2019.

You're just flat ****ing wrong here. Any one of your drafts that involves cutting Berry is a waste if your time and anyone who reads it.

Chris Meck 01-25-2019 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14071564)
[Sigh]

You. Can't. Cut. Him. If. He. Can't. Pass. A. Physical.

The guarantee is just a guarantee on day 3. Not for injury or performance or any other qualifier - just a guarantee. But if a player cannot pass a standard player physical as a result of a football related surgery, you can't cut him. He wont pass by day 3 so your 'cut him on day 1' nonsense is prohibited.

There's a ZERO percent chance that his injury will be declared non-football related. Zero. If the chiefs thought that were a possibility they'd have put him on the NFI list and avoided his cap hit for this season.

What would you like to place on this? Hes getting the surgery, it will prohibit the Chiefs from cutting him and we're stuck with his salary in 2019.

You're just flat ****ing wrong here. Any one of your drafts that involves cutting Berry is a waste if your time and anyone who reads it.

You're right, EXCEPT that I'm not sure this would count as a football injury. I think if it does NOT count as a football injury, they're off the hook. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.

DJ's left nut 01-25-2019 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14071635)
You're right, EXCEPT that I'm not sure this would count as a football injury. I think if it does NOT count as a football injury, they're off the hook. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.

I don't think Berry and his people would have any issue convincing a likely arbitrator (I'm sure that's what would end up happening) that the injury was exacerbated and/or compounded by years of playing football. Afterall, it wasn't an issue when he was at TN or even for the first several years of his career. Then suddenly it pops up.

I know you run into a causation/correlation problem here, but I'd be stunned if an arbitrator ruled that this was unrelated to his football career. There's going to be enough smoke there that they'll see fire.

YontsRBake 01-25-2019 11:05 AM

I don’t completely understand why people want Mack Wilson, what’s the difference between him and Ragland? They seem like the same player to me.

BryanBusby 01-25-2019 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14071874)
I don't think Berry and his people would have any issue convincing a likely arbitrator (I'm sure that's what would end up happening) that the injury was exacerbated and/or compounded by years of playing football. Afterall, it wasn't an issue when he was at TN or even for the first several years of his career. Then suddenly it pops up.

I know you run into a causation/correlation problem here, but I'd be stunned if an arbitrator ruled that this was unrelated to his football career. There's going to be enough smoke there that they'll see fire.

Yep. I can't believe people think the Chiefs could wiggle their way out of it LMAO


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