Video Card chat
 

I just picked up a new monitor (34" Ultra Wide 1440p 144MHz 1500R Curve Samsung Panel -VA) to replace my 3 monitor setup (24" ASUS 1080p). Now I need a new video card to drive the monitor.

My current rig is:

Intel Core i-7 4770k Processor
32GB DDR3 Memory
Gigabyte Z97MX-Gaming 5 Motherboard
Radeon RX 570 Video Card

This card is going to struggle to push anything more than low to medium graphics on games with this new monitor. Where I'm torn is the cost of new video cards.

If I'm looking hard enough, I can stumble across an open box 5600 for $200 or $230 new. A 5700 for $320 (open box) or $350 new. But at that point... why would I just not drop another $100 for the 6700 at $449?

Ultimately... that makes the 5700 a non player and I'm left choosing between a 5600 at $230 or a 6700 at $450. I'd rather not spend an extra $220 but I feel like the 6700 would probably be the last video card my current build sees.

Then what about the 20x series by nVidia? By paying a touch more I get Ray Tracing which is cool but I'm not paying for a 2080, for what I would pay for a 2070 I may as well snag one of the new AMD cards. A 2060 is going for $320 new... I don't know that Ray Tracing is worth nearly $100.

Better yet... do any of you fellow nerds have an itch to update and want to sell me their 5k/20x series cards?

I'm looking into probably the 3060 Ti for $399 when that materializes, or a 3070 for $499 (which is insane value considering it is equivalent to the 2080ti).

The market hasn't been this competitive since like the mid-2000's.

I am shocked how good the Big Navi ended up being. I never bought into the hype and I was wrong.

3070 will be my next card...

That said, AMD released their next line, Big Navi and RDNA 2. Which is supposed to be pretty impressive. And will also lower the prices of their current lineup quite a bit.

No reason to look at 20 series nvidia cards when you can rock a 3070. The RT performance on 2 series cards is trash, or wait a lil bit and get that 6700.



Ive got a 1080ti laying on my desk that would be perfect, but used its gonna run ya in that same 3-400 range, with performance on par with a 2080 and no RT

if you are on facebook KCCE is a good place for KC info

Tip: If you want to compare video cards, simply go to Google, and type your comparison, like "AMD 6500 vs. GTX 2080."

Userbenchmark.com normally has an exact performance comparison for every card, along with an average price point. Be sure and compare, and note the price differences.
Sometimes a card can cost $100 more, but not really give you that much actual real world performance increase for what you're using it for. Technically the same goes for CPUs, etc.

Side note~ userbenchmarks changed its metrics to heavily favor intel processors sometime a while back, so I wouldn't use it for CPUs.

For GPUs its still pretty reliable

More research done on the subject. The processor I have bottlenecks performance after the 5600XT/2060 and even then I'm gonna have to OC the processor by about 10% to get there.

Now... I get to decide. Do I pick up the 5600XT or do I get the 2060 so that I, at least, get a taste or RT.

Forget 2 series cards and RT. Especially in a 2060. What good is RT if your only getting 17 FPS.

For example, im rocking a 3090, 1440p ultra settings with RT on, in games like watch dog legion im getting 52 fps at 1440p, and that card is literally 4x as powerful in RT performance than a 2060.

To be fair, im getting about 140 fps in Warzone with RT on, but that still translates to something like 30~ fps on a 2060 to one of the better performing RT games.

Get the most raster performance you can for your dollar. And that is likely a 3070 (or a 3080 if you have the lil extra cash), and that gives you an upgrade path later as well. Dont buy one of these last gen cards on the cusp of the new wave if you are looking from a value standpoint.

Wots the point if the GPU is gonna be bottlenecked by the CPU though? My intent is to run this PC through the life of this video card, whatever I buy, and then will have to build a new one. I'm hoping to get another 3-4 years out of this CPU as the heart of my main PC.

If you are looking to keep your computer around for another 3-4 years then you shouldnt even be thinking about RT if your current CPU cant even handle midrange GPUs.

I'm still rocking a 1070ti at 1080p and dont feel any need to upgrade. I'm still getting 100+ FPS in most everything I play because I always change the settings so that the most ridiculous graphics that you dont notice aren't eating away at performance.

My CPU will handle a 2060 (or a 5600XT). That is the most it will handle though. Is that not a mid-range GPU or has the paradigm shifted once the 6l/30 series was released?

I'm basically shopping for this current build's last ever video card. I'm gonna OC my 4770K (3.5GHz) to match a 4790K (4.0 GHz) and OC the memory (unknown specs on that as of yet) to give this build one last contract in it's HOF career.

I didn't feel the need to upgrade from my RX 570 / 24" 1080p monitor as much as we needed another monitor in the house so I went ahead and bought something that would be as future proof as I could afford. Now I'm trying to drive it as effectively as possible under the circumstances.

I don't know what AMD is looking like but as far as nVidia, 2060 is about as middle of the road as it gets. There's only the 1650 and 1660 and its Super/TI variants below it.

What cpu are you running? That seems awfully low. I have heard though that cpu bottleneck the new cards at anything lower then 4k

Yep. And for a quick and dirty hierarchy with basic benchmarking, Tom's keeps their gpu rankings updated.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...rchy,4388.html

Where the AMD 5600 XT stacks up in the series

https://i.imgur.com/1RP7PJn.jpg

Where it stacks up among modern cards

https://i.imgur.com/1JZgY0u.jpg

The more I think about this the more that the 5600XT seems like the right option for the current computer.

3900x OCed.

Watch Dogs is a marvel of ray tracing and bad optimization. AMAZING LIGHTING... iiiiity bittty living space.

I was in a situation like this not too long ago. I wanted to upgrade my gpu on my antiquated travel PC so that I could play Madden 19. I spend about 25 nights a month in a hotel.

I live close to a MicroCenter, so I just checked their open boxes online everyday until found what I wanted. I ended up geting a RX 5700x for $310.

I have no idea where you live, but out of curiosity I checked the inventory in the KC (Brentwood) store. They have a RX 5600x for $280.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/...Search+Results

Also depending how much of a hurry you are in, AMD's 6000 series might be worth waiting on. It looks like the RX 6500x should drop in January for approx $300.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/am...a2-all-we-know

Edit: The MC link does not go to the Brentwood store. You will have to select the store at the top of the page. FYI.

Newegg had an MSI 5600 XT for $230 after code and $10 MIR two weeks ago and a sale just ended on an ASUS 5600 XT for $249.99 w/free shipping and no sales tax.

I am gonna keep checking but will be pulling the trigger on something by BF/CM. Getting anything bigger than a 5600XT would be something of a waste as I will be picking up whatever is the biggest baddest come time to build the next rig.

I believe I have landed on the best deal I'm gonna find...

https://i.imgur.com/DFILqUx.png

$229 with free shipping and no sales tax... but after sending off for a $20 mail in rebate. Plus I get Godfall for free.

Just have to be up and refreshing at midnight to ensure I get one.

/interesting. currently showing as sold out but the sale doesn't begin until the 23rd.

That would be a good deal on that card. Looks like they are $290-$300’s range right now at BB and New Egg.

How late is newegg gonna keep me up tonight I wonder...

Waiting for that MSI 5600 XT video card to come up but still showing OOS. I'm hopeful, though, because I've been clicking on other items for the black Friday sale and the updated prices haven't landed. Also, several items say their sale ends in an hour.

It would make sense if they activated their sales by CST as it is in the middle for everyone. It would make sense if they activated their sales by PST because the company is based out of California.

But Mountain Time? I'll keep you all posted... I know you are rooting for me in this.

What absolute bullshit. That card has been listed as OOS for 3 days yet it appears on their BF sale page. Huge let down.

Bummer. It appears the gpu gods and 2020 are not done shitting on us yet. Keep looking though, there are apt to be short restock bursts this week especially starting Thursday. Newegg included.

Well shit... this could be worthwhile.

https://i.imgur.com/4e3odeS.jpg

Cyber Monday might have some deals on the cards you like. NewEgg always has a lot going on then.

I don't expect to find a much better deal than this. The Vega 56 can be biosed with the 64's bios and then overclocked to meet same stats as the Vega 64.

The Vega has serious OC'ing capabilities.

Cross-card bios flashing? Cool.

Meh, the budget cards will drop in January.

I need to update my rig but I dont want to spend 1000+.

Current GPU prices are ridiculous

While I realize that Dirt Rally isn't a killer game to get benchmarks off of... this is what I got on a benchmark at "High" quality.

RX570:
https://i.imgur.com/pABIBc3.png

RX Vega 56:
https://i.imgur.com/ur8yKyH.png

RTX 3060 for $399. 1440p gaming, faster than a 2080, for a really reasonable price.


https://www.theverge.com/21726429/nv...3060-ti-review

good ****ing luck finding one to buy

It’ll all start to shake out after Christmas.

I'm thinking 3070 Ti will end up being my sweet spot.

Or I might just wait and upgrade everything to 4K when the 4000 series come out in a couple of years.

:thumb:You'll be set for years.

I knew they were bigger, but JFC... :eek:

1060 vs. 3090

https://i.imgur.com/RpZqmvi.jpg

Kind of an apples to oranges comparison. According to Zotacs website their 3090 isn't even a half inch longer than their 2080 ti AMP Edition card.

Is that your picture? Because that 1060 almost looks like a mini card the way it ends right after the PCI slot. Looks more like their 1050 Low Profile card.

Here is the picture I took during installation of my 3090

this is vs a to80ti founders, which is a pretty beefy card in its own right

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...749&height=562

Got me this monitor:
https://www.microcenter.com/product/...r#photogroup-1

Hyped to join the 1440 and 144hz club with my new 2070.

if you're using nvidia find a monitor with gsync

I picked this up last month. Snagged the Amazon credit card and got $100 extra off the purchase price. 34 inches of 3440x1440 gloriousness.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Not my pic. From reddit. You might be right about the model.

FYI... This monitor has gotten really good reviews from multiple sources. Both GSync and FreeSync compatible. 165Hz capable with DisplayPort connection. Supposed to be a real steal for the price point:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CNDK2XG...v_ov_lig_dp_it

Not a fan of that resolution. Much prefer 3440x1440. If you are gonna go "wide screen" then... go WIDE SCREEN.

Not sure how you can say you're not a fan of that resolution... Your monitor is a ****ing beauty for sure. But....

3440x1440 results in a 21:9 native aspect ratio that can currently be a real mess for lots of media. Older games don't handle it well. Lots of times, the format just gets stretched, and it looks really weird. Or worse, just cut off. Newer games are OK, and future games should be OK though. But still, many require adjustments to the FOV to make the games look right because it's not a native aspect ratio the game was meant to run at. Same thing goes for older movies, and most TV. They just weren't made for showing in 21:9 format. None of the current streaming platforms work natively in 21:9 aspect ratio except Netflix using the Edge browser or a 3rd party browser extension for Chrome/Firefox. Nothing worse than have a huge beautiful monitor, just for the media to put black bars on the last 6" of both ends of the screen.

That said, for games/movies made to handle that format, it's pretty ****ing incredible. Very immersive and gorgeous. But that doesn't cover enough available media at the moment, IMO. I considered 3440x1440, but after reading lots of reviews and recommendations, I'm pretty happy I went with 2560x1440. That still maintains the much more popular 16:9 aspect ratio that all existing media/games use. No need for adjusting FOV for different games, and basically all other media displays in native aspect ratio.

:thumb:

Yup, that's why I went with a 27 inch Monitor at that resolution.

Dude loves the Chiefs and high FPS.

https://scontent.fgig4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...cf&oe=6000641A

If the Witcher can't rock 4k at 120fps who can?

Hehe, nice little double entendre.

Still cannot find a RTX 30X0 series card anywhere. ****ing bullshit. Got a pile of money set aside already, it's winter and nasty outside which is perfect for gaming, upgraded almost all other components of my system including a beefy 850W power supply needed for these big ass power hungry cards, but nah... Out of stock everywhere except a few shady Amazon sellers offering them for double the retail price. Stupid.

Don’t feel lonely. I put my name on the waitlist with EVGA over a month ago and am just standing by until the supply chain dam breaks. I have all parts except gpu to do my son’s new build.

Did you see Corsair has a 12 pin power cable just for the 30x0 series so you don’t have to use the adapter? Good looking cable too. This cable has been out of stock for a month but I checked again last week and they’re available now. Got mine at Best Buy. So at least things are coming back in stock in some areas.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...e/p/CP-8920274

Yeah, I already have a modular 12pin cable for the future card. Didn't know about the EVGA queue thing though. Thanks for that. I signed up for several of their models.

I like that they are taking steps to eliminate bots in an equitable way. Good luck man :toast:

Strong rumors about SUPERS coming out in the not so distant future.

Rumors circulating about some "Ultra" versions being released of the 30X0 line. In specific, an Asus RTX 3060 with 12GB of RAM.

That's it? :D

Heh.. Those 30X0 cards are power hungry sumbitches. I watched a video the other day where Linus put 2 3090 cards in SLI mode. The 1000W PS in the test machine still wasn't enough to run a game. Died about 5 seconds into gameplay. They had to find a 1600W PS to test it. :eek:

Do you think I could power a GTX 3060 TI on a 750w PS? I haven't kept too up to date on things. I just upgraded an old Core i3 (2013) to a new one so piecemealing things here and there.

Congrats on the new cpu. I imagine you're going to realize quite a gain.

The Verge says 600w for the 3060 so you should have plenty of room with 750w.

Nvidia’s RTX 3000 series cards have all bumped up their power requirements, but the RTX 3060 Ti is a little more modest in that regard. Nvidia is recommending a 600W power supply for the RTX 3060 Ti, and it will draw up to 200 watts.

https://www.theverge.com/21726429/nv...3060-ti-review

Power requirements for the other cards:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/dt...70-80.png.webp

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nv...-shortage-2020

You should be alright.

This is pretty helpful. PSU calculator that takes into account all the other devices in your system, including fans and such. Just select your components and best you can, and it will tell how much that system should be pulling.

https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

You are thinking too hard about power supplies. A quality 850 is enough for something like a 3900/5900/10900k+ and a 3090, (im using a seasonic gold on a 3900x, OCed 3090, AIO, 4x RAM sticks, RGB all over etc etc ) any lower card on any processor can use a 750 or less.

I have a 1080ti on a big OCed 7700k on a 650w, no problems.

750 is more than enough for a 3060ti.

Power efficiency has just gotten better and better. Not to say, some parts are not capable of pulling more power, they are just doing more with the power they pull, 850 is enough for any 'normal' system.

The last rig I built was damn near 10 years ago now and it had a 850W in it. 2 x 8800's in SLI drew a shitload of power for the time.

Cool - thanks. Looks like i'm in good shape.

I guess i'll just wait for the new 3080 TI, i've been looking for a good card for a couple of months now but man it's almost impossible unless you have hours to sit around and be ready to pounce. Nearly impossible to build gaming computers for people right now unless they want a mid range card or lesser.

Any ideas on how long this will last? Some of the big tech guys are saying this is just the new reality.

Yup. And it doesn't help that until today, Bitcoin was blowing up like crazy.

I was thinking about getting a 3070 Ti at some point, but I think I will just wait for the 4000 series due to come out in 2022.

Guy on Reddit put his name on the EVGA list on September 18. He got his email last Friday and his card arrived today.


https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrac...tm_name=iossmf

GeForce RTX event today:

https://i.imgur.com/r1OYth4.jpg

LMAO...:banghead:

I know, right? :D

Usually with big toy purchases like computers, guns, tools, etc. I make the purchase a little impulsively when I probably financially shouldn't. Which makes me feel a little guilty about it. But the pandemic has actually been pretty good for me financially. Got excess toy money at the moment, and the two toys I wanna currently buy(RTX 3080 and a new Walther pistol) are all out of stock everywhere, LOL. Literally everywhere. Life is weird like that...

NVIDIA Reveals GeForce RTX 3060: Launching Late February For $329

Alongside today’s CES-centric announcement of their new GeForce RTX 30 series parts for laptops, NVIDIA also offered an in-depth reveal of their next desktop graphics card, the GeForce RTX 3060. Reflected the continued progression of the Ampere architecture into smaller and cheaper video cards as NVIDIA continues its product stack rollout, the RTX 3060 marks the introduction of Ampere into their popular mainstream-enthusiast 60-series video card tier. Long the backbone of NVIDIA’s desktop sales in North America and elsewhere, the 60-tier cards typically strike a solid balance between price and performance. And with prices set to start at $329, at launch the RTX 3060 will become the cheapest RTX card that NVIDIA has ever offered.

https://i.imgur.com/o5lFpPG.png

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This is bananas.... I haven't seen such a demand on graphics chips since OG Diamond Monster 3D II 8MB 3Dfx Voodoo2 days.

Nvidia and AMD address the great GPU shortage

It’s not great news

Nvidia’s new RTX 3080, 3070, 3060 Ti and 3090 and the AMD RX 6800 and 6800 XT are all incredibly hard to find, selling out instantly whenever they appear, due to an incredible level of demand that makes these GPUs worth many hundreds of dollars more than MSRP. A Trump tax and surging cryptocurrency prices may be about to make them even more expensive, too. Many older graphics cards are sold out online as well.

This week, Nvidia and AMD finally have some updates — and it’s bittersweet news.

On the plus side, AMD tells The Verge it expects to sell more of its own reference design RX 6800, 6800 XT and RX 6900 XT cards on its own website in the first quarter of 2021 at their sticker prices, which should mean $579, $649 and $999 instead of inflated ones. But AMD is only committing to make them available “to as many gamers as possible,” which may not reassure buyers who felt AMD had a paper launch to begin with.

Nvidia, meanwhile, is now saying that supplies of its GPUs to both consumers and partners “will likely remain lean through Q1,” and we’re not even talking about the first quarter of the year — Nvidia’s fiscal Q1 doesn’t end until late April. That’s an awfully long wait.

Again, it’s demand, not just supply constraints, that are keeping graphics cards out of our hands. Nvidia tells us that since launch, its $499-and-up RTX 30-series GPUs have sold almost twice as much as the RTX 20-series did after the same amount of time. (The RTX 30-series is a much bigger upgrade than the previous gen was, mind you — there weren’t a lot of games that took advantage of Nvidia’s ray tracing at the time, and people’s GTX 10-series cards were still holding up just fine.)

Nvidia does at least seem to think crypto miners aren’t snapping up all the cards quite yet, despite the sky-high prices we’ve recently seen for Bitcoin and Ethereum.

“If crypto demand begins or if we see a meaningful amount,” said CFO Colette Kress at a recent investor conference, “we can also use that opportunity to restart the CMP product line to address ongoing mining demand.” CMP refers to Nvidia’s dedicated crypto mining GPUs, which strip away the video ports miners don’t need because they aren’t driving graphics to a monitor, making them them more profitable for Nvidia.

As far as whether Trump’s taxes might impact the price of graphics cards, Nvidia isn’t saying much — but AMD CEO Lisa Su claims the company is trying its best to keep prices down. Here’s a quote transcribed by AnandTech:

We knew about the expiration of some tariff policies, and in advance worked towards a more flexible supply chain as it relates to AMD. We are committed to keeping GPU pricing as close to our suggested retail pricing as much as possible, because it’s the only way to be fair to the users. Normally when we have GPU launches, our own branded cards are available initially but then fade away for our partners to pick up. This time around we’re not phasing out our RX 6000 series, enabling us to sell direct to customers as low as possible. We’re encouraging partners to do the same. Not only tariffs, but the COVID environment has increased shipping and freight costs, which are hard to avoid. As we get into a more normal environment, this should improve. This also matters for our planned graphics updates through the first half of the year, as we have a lot of product coming to market.

That sounds good, but it’s still fairly noncommittal — and feels like a step back from what AMD told Hardware Unboxed in November, about how partners should be able to sell the RX 6800 XT at its original $649 MSRP within eight weeks.

I hear you there. The supply chain is straight ****ed right now. It's nice though to have things to look forward to. And I've enjoyed waiting to do a build in the sense that I've had time to add little things like the sheathed 12 pin cord and a second M2 drive and a streaming camera and some razr speakers. Oh shit, this needs to end.

LMAO

The problem, for me, is that by the time you can actually find these cards, say mid-2021, you're only going to be 6-8 months away from next gen. Am I going to pay $600 for a new card when it's about to be relegated to second place?

Now, I'll admit that this gen was a huge step up from the last. So it's entirely possible that the cards coming next year aren't that big of a jump. I don't know. I want to do a new build and I feel like I'm caught in no man's land.

The leaks about Ada Lovelace (4000 series) so far indicate another massive leap in performance. So you definitely have a good point.

Walked into MicroCenter a couple of days ago at 7:30 pm and I guess someone didn't show up for their voucher So I snagged a 3090 Card for a hefty price. I was looking more towards a 3080 or 3080TI(hopefully soon) but I guess You have to strike while you can. :D

I hope this holds its value like my 1080Ti did, I paid $675 for it and now its worth more lolz.

How much is a 2080 worth right now?

Depends on who you ask, I mean i see them going for up to $1500. They are currently the most sought after card on the market and honestly should be around $700 or so.

*edited*

Thought you meant 3080, lolz 2080ti is probably still going for around 700 to 1000. 2080 probably around 600 too 800.