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OnTheWarpath15 01-02-2013 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9267778)
Arizona has one of the better defenses in the NFL and enough young personnel to get even better.

That said, Romeo Crennel probably kept their DC (Horton) from being promoted. He set back the battlefield commission for DCs by at least 2 or 3 seasons.

Arizona's a pretty good job. It's better than Buffalo, Cleveland and San Diego. And I'm not convinced KC is clearly better than Arizona.

Yep.

Chief Roundup 01-02-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 9267752)
His agent is Bob LaMonte. Nuff said.

Bidwell is notoriously cheap. They've got some in house options for both coach and GM, so if Reid's price is too high they might turn elsewhere. Remember, Reid is going to want to bring some high profile assistants with him, which to me would be the most attractive thing about hiring him. Those guys cost money. And if he wants Heckert too, more money there.
So if Zona is "battling" us for his services, they may be more willing to give him carte blanche...

You kind of contradict yourself in this post. Bidwell is cheap but they are more likely to give Andy the carte blanche that he wants to bring in those people.
Can't have it both ways.
We are more likely to give Andy that carte blanche than the Bidwells.

Strongside 01-02-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9267760)
Christ, Ian Rappaport is STILL pimping Ferentz.

LMAO

Ian Rapoport is a complete and total ****ing mouthbreather. That football blasting him in the face...he hasn't been close to normal since then. Guy is an idiot.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9267755)
Didn't Carl Peterson sign off on the McGlocktons, Wayne Simmonses, Bam Morrises, etc. I think Peterson drafted Vanover even though his off-field issues were so bad he left Florida State after his sophomore year to play a year in the CFL so he could be draft eligible??

Marty wasn't the only one who was desperate after '97.

I don't disagree but we were talking about comparing Reid to Marty.

OnTheWarpath15 01-02-2013 10:44 AM

Kirk Ferentz is the Andy Reid of college football.

-Ian Rapaport.

MGRS13 01-02-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9267765)
He couldn't outbid anybody for Manning. Manning wouldn't even pick up the phone because of Pioli.

Thats popular opinion and no he didnt want to deal with Pioli. But 1 phone call to his agent saying I will pay 10 mil more a year gets a returned call.

ChiefMojo 01-02-2013 10:44 AM

Well if that is it... it could just be that guy stating fact but kind of hurrying up the timeline a little?

Deberg_1990 01-02-2013 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9267732)
Marty's desperation resulted in the 1998 season, which was one of the most embarrassing in team history.

When measured against some of the seasons from the past 6 years, 98 doesnt seem that bad at all.

ModSocks 01-02-2013 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9267778)
Arizona has one of the better defenses in the NFL and enough young personnel to get even better.

That said, Romeo Crennel probably kept their DC (Horton) from being promoted. He set back the battlefield commission for DCs by at least 2 or 3 seasons.

Arizona's a pretty good job. It's better than Buffalo, Cleveland and San Diego. And I'm not convinced KC is clearly better than Arizona.

Im not sure what would make AZ a better gig than SD. Doesn't matter though, he's not going to SD. SD wants the classic GM/Coach system.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KC kid (Post 9267769)
I will freak the **** out if it is Ferentz. . . You should too

ROFL

chiefzilla1501 01-02-2013 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 9267762)
Zilla it is pretty mind blowing at times. Hard to believe some guy from Philly isn't up to date on KC interviewing Reid. Must not follow twitter? lol

Good news is it sounded like lazy reporting. Espn has it up, so its legit.

007 01-02-2013 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9267731)
He's probably going to go see what AZ is offering him. As of right now....he's probably the best HC out there right now. He'd be dumb not to see what everyone is offering him.

And you know that Clark said to go ahead and check out AZ but to let him counter before he accepts anything from them.

OnTheWarpath15 01-02-2013 10:46 AM

LMAO

If anyone brings up Kirk Ferentz again on 610 unless Iowa is playing Mizzou, Kansas or K-State, they are getting hung up on.

Messier 01-02-2013 10:46 AM

I've been getting the feeling over the last few years that no one, not even the biggest names in the biz, know anything substantial regarding any of these moves. Twitter has made being early on news 100 x more important than being right. I'm getting the feeling that many of these guys have no"sources, other than eachother.

rabblerouser 01-02-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 9267783)
How do you figure? Four years ago he made Pioli the highest paid GM in the league.

I think some people make a lot of assumptions not based in fact.

rabblerouser 01-02-2013 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9267799)
Espn has it up, so its legit.

ROFL

Chief Roundup 01-02-2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9267766)
Brian Westbrook was used VERY EFFECTIVELY by Reid. I'm not worried about how he will use Charles one single bit.

Westbrook never had more than 177 rushes in a season. During that same stretch of time Priest Holmes was getting 300 rushes a season.

Agent V 01-02-2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9267784)
I think the NFL in general hates the Chiefs.

Sometimes, it seems like our mere existence is some kind of ****ing inconvenience.

Chiefnj2 01-02-2013 10:47 AM

One interview where the owner finally says some things the fans want to hear and all faith is restored in Chief fans. Everyone is optimistic. Any report of a 2nd or 3rd tier coaching candidate is dismissed as BS because KC is a GREAT place to play where the team is just a QB away from a dynasty.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9267792)
Kirk Ferentz is the Andy Reid of college football.

-Ian Rapaport.

Of all the things he's said, that one might be right on. :D

Mr. Laz 01-02-2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9267757)
NFLN and ESPN hate the Chiefs...FACT

i don't think they hate the Chiefs, we are just irrelevant.

They pander to the big markets and/or the impact stories.


until we make some impact they will continue to ignore us.

Mother****erJones 01-02-2013 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9267784)
I think the NFL in general hates the Chiefs.

Well the NFL can suck my cock because without KC there would be no NFL

htismaqe 01-02-2013 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MGRS13 (Post 9267793)
Thats popular opinion and no he didnt want to deal with Pioli. But 1 phone call to his agent saying I will pay 10 mil more a year gets a returned call.

No it doesn't.

Manning told Clark he wouldn't have worked with Pioli for ANY reason, including an extra $10M on a $100M contract.

ChiefsCountry 01-02-2013 10:48 AM

Ferentz would have been perfect to lead the 2010 team, when we had Weis running the offense and Romeo the defense. Ferentz could have led the team CEO style and would have been fine more than likely.

ChiefMojo 01-02-2013 10:49 AM

True but how many receptions did Westbrook have with those 177 carries? I'm not against Charles having 200 carries if he is getting 75+ receptions out of the backfield... we would still be getting him out in space.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9267795)
When measured against some of the seasons from the past 6 years, 98 doesnt seem that bad at all.

The antics on and off the field were embarrassing, regardless of the win/loss record said.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-02-2013 10:49 AM

Eric Edholm ‏@Eric_Edholm

As I reported earlier this season, Scott Pioli DID sign extension this offseason, which might be hangup to why he's still with #Chiefs.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9267796)
Im not sure what would make AZ a better gig than SD. Doesn't matter though, he's not going to SD. SD wants the classic GM/Coach system.

Sandy Eggo's stadium/financial situation is pretty muddy...

notorious 01-02-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chief103182 (Post 9267808)
Sometimes, it seems like our mere existence is some kind of ****ing inconvenience.

Well.........


The Chiefs need to give them a reason to think otherwise.

chiefzilla1501 01-02-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9267805)
ROFL

I despise espn. But they're one of the most careful in my opinion about posting anything as fact without adding a ton of sources. They're one of the last to report. They didn't List it as a rumor. They stated it as fact.

Mr. Laz 01-02-2013 10:50 AM

Hire Pioli and made him highest GM
Hired hottest coaching prospect at the time
Hired Crennel and Weis for 5 million per each

the effort and money have been there ... it just didn't work out.


money shouldn't be an issue with Reid, nor should power.

Raiderhater 01-02-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9267804)
I think some people make a lot of assumptions not based in fact.

It's the Planet way.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9267809)
One interview where the owner finally says some things the fans want to hear and all faith is restored in Chief fans. Everyone is optimistic. Any report of a 2nd or 3rd tier coaching candidate is dismissed as BS because KC is a GREAT place to play where the team is just a QB away from a dynasty.

ROFL

Agent V 01-02-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9267822)
Well.........


The Chiefs need to give them a reason to think otherwise.

Absolutely agree.

ChiefMojo 01-02-2013 10:51 AM

JFC that explains why we are having a lot of this mess... Pioli did sign that extension and now we are trying to figure out how to get rid of him without having to pay him the full money.

Chief Roundup 01-02-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 9267417)
When it says that Ferentz is meeting with the Chiefs today, that could mean that he and Scott are getting together for dinner tonight where they're going to try and figure out where it all went so wrong for both of them...and maybe Ferentz is in town to offer Iowa's AD position to Pioli. :)

ROFL

DaneMcCloud 01-02-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9267814)
Well the NFL can suck my cock because without KC there would be no NFL

LMAO

Yeah, all those teams on the Northeast would cease to exist without the Chiefs.

ROFL

mr. tegu 01-02-2013 10:51 AM

Parkins is crushing this Ian guy.

jd1020 01-02-2013 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9267819)
Eric Edholm ‏@Eric_Edholm

As I reported earlier this season, Scott Pioli DID sign extension this offseason, which might be hangup to why he's still with #Chiefs.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Badger_001.jpg

htismaqe 01-02-2013 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9267825)
Hire Pioli and made him highest GM
Hired hottest coaching prospect at the time
Hired Crennel and Weis for 5 million per each

the effort and money have been there ... it just didn't work out.


money shouldn't be an issue with Reid, nor should power.

This.

kcxiv 01-02-2013 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9267814)
Well the NFL can suck my cock because without KC there would be no NFL

without lamar hunt, his ass could have moved them anywhere and there would have been football.

rabblerouser 01-02-2013 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9267791)
I don't disagree but we were talking about comparing Reid to Marty.

Sure, and the only real comparison is that after a decade of being close to the ring, they both tried to change up the way they had done things...and maybe in desperation, kind of made some bad personnel decisions.

But Reid's style of coaching is pretty radically different from 'Martyball.'


Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9267792)
Kirk Ferentz is the Andy Reid of college football.

-Ian Rapaport.

:eek:

I hate Ian Rappaport, too.

Mother****erJones 01-02-2013 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9267802)
LMAO

If anyone brings up Kirk Ferentz again on 610 unless Iowa is playing Mizzou, Kansas or K-State, they are getting hung up on.

I love the Danny Parkins show

DeezNutz 01-02-2013 10:52 AM

I'd say it seems pretty clear that Pioli signed an extension.

notorious 01-02-2013 10:52 AM

Out of all the coaches out there, I hope we get him.


He is aggresive to a fault.

okcchief 01-02-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9267819)
Eric Edholm ‏@Eric_Edholm

As I reported earlier this season, Scott Pioli DID sign extension this offseason, which might be hangup to why he's still with #Chiefs.

This has to be it.

Mr. Laz 01-02-2013 10:53 AM

who the **** is eric edholm?


pretty hard to believe that Hunt would offer an extension and then fire 2 months later

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-02-2013 10:53 AM

Eric Edholm ‏@Eric_Edholm

Have not been able to confirm rumors that Pioli and Clark Hunt are negotiating a buyout/severance package but makes some sense. #chiefs

The Franchise 01-02-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9267807)
Westbrook never had more than 177 rushes in a season. During that same stretch of time Priest Holmes was getting 300 rushes a season.

He also averaged 53 receptions per season while he was with the Eagles.

notorious 01-02-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9267842)
I'd say it seems pretty clear that Pioli signed an extension.

Clark must be a dumb **** to sign him to an extension.

DJ's left nut 01-02-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9267807)
Westbrook never had more than 177 rushes in a season. During that same stretch of time Priest Holmes was getting 300 rushes a season.

Well that's certainly inaccurate. Like completely, categorically false. He had 3 consecutive seasons above 225 carries including 278 and another 90 catches out of the backfield in 2007.

Honestly, Charles has such good hands and such great HR ability, he's the perfect Andy Reid back. Charles would be an absolute stud under Reid getting about 15 carries/gm while also getting another 5-6 touches out of the backfield.

Reid would be huge for Charles. Charles is the evolutionary version of Brian Westbrook.

Messier 01-02-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9267845)
who the **** is eric edholm?


pretty hard to believe that Hunt would offer an extension and then fire 2 months later

Does he mean last off season?

jd1020 01-02-2013 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9267845)
who the **** is eric edholm?


pretty hard to believe that Hunt would offer an extension and then fire 2 months later

Makes it pretty easy to believe what Hunt said when he said he didn't know what was happening with Pioli.

DaWolf 01-02-2013 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9267819)
Eric Edholm ‏@Eric_Edholm

As I reported earlier this season, Scott Pioli DID sign extension this offseason, which might be hangup to why he's still with #Chiefs.

Well if that's the case, then I think Clark is going to have a tough time firing him. He would then try to hire a coach who could work with Pioli while trying to give them equal footing through this new reporting structure, which will badly backfire...

Chiefnj2 01-02-2013 10:54 AM

Clark extended Pioli after the disastrous 2011 season?

And people are happy that Clark is taking a more hands on approach??

Agent V 01-02-2013 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9267832)
LMAO

Yeah, all those teams on the Northeast would cease to exist without the Chiefs.

ROFL

Ha. Yeah, that was a bit of an overstatement. We basically WEREN'T a professional team this season, and football still happened.

notorious 01-02-2013 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 9267853)
Well if that's the case, then I think Clark is going to have a tough time firing him. He would then try to hire a coach who could work with Pioli while trying to give them equal footing through this new reporting structure, which will badly backfire...

Yes sir.

DJ's left nut 01-02-2013 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9267848)
He also averaged 53 receptions per season while he was with the Eagles.

Did you know that Trent Green never threw more than 300 passes in a season while in Kansas City?

That's almost as accurate as any assertion that Brian Westbrook never got more than 177 carries/season under Andy Reid.

Stupid post is stupid.

DeezNutz 01-02-2013 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9267855)
Clark extended Pioli after the disastrous 2011 season?

And people are happy that Clark is taking a more hands on approach??

'10.

The Franchise 01-02-2013 10:55 AM

My only question mark with Reid is the defense. What DC would he bring in and what type of defense would he use?

Mr. Laz 01-02-2013 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9267852)
Makes it pretty easy to believe what Hunt said when he said he didn't know what was happening with Pioli.

makes no difference ... the team wasn't winning then or now

rabblerouser 01-02-2013 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9267816)
Ferentz would have been perfect to lead the 2010 team, when we had Weis running the offense and Romeo the defense. Ferentz could have led the team CEO style and would have been fine more than likely.

ROFL

Todd Haley says 'Not with Matt ****ing Cassel, he wouldn't have been.'

notorious 01-02-2013 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9267861)
My only question mark with Reid is the defense. What DC would he bring in and what type of defense would he use?

Wide 9 FTW!


j/k :D

ChiefMojo 01-02-2013 10:56 AM

Of course it makes sense... if Pioli hadn't signed that extension he doesn't come out doing damage control when sh*t starts hitting the fan earlier this season and we also don't still have him in KC still. At this moment he is still here because Clark is trying to figure out how he is going to weasel his money away from paying Pioli. In the mean time he has pretty much castrated Pioli in KC.

Either at worst case Pioli stays in a role similar to what he had in New England or he is gone soon once we hire the next head coach that doesn't want him (has his own guy).

Mr. Laz 01-02-2013 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9267861)
My only question mark with Reid is the defense. What DC would he bring in and what type of defense would he use?

didn't Reid run a zone blitzing 3-4 for most of his time in philly?

was it 1-gap or 2-gap?

chiefzilla1501 01-02-2013 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9267840)
Sure, and the only real comparison is that after a decade of being close to the ring, they both tried to change up the way they had done things...and maybe in desperation, kind of made some bad personnel decisions.

But Reid's style of coaching is pretty radically different from 'Martyball.'




:eek:

I hate Ian Rappaport, too.

Reid isn't a martyball coach. The question is why a team that has absolutely dominated the NFC in the regular season has had average postseason success. I feel like he's tense or presses in the playoffs. I don't mind the hire. He's better than Marty. But wish people wouldn't create stories that his postseason lack of success hasn't been very, very heavily scrutinized, not just in Philly, but everywhere.

ptlyon 01-02-2013 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9267652)
You're really going out on a limb there, aren't ya?

Look, AZ probably set theirs up before Clark got him on the phone. How is that being PROACTIVE?

Clark wants to get his name in the hat, sure, but Reid already made the decision to go there. I think it's a leverage deal. I don't think he us interested in KC he would have notified us.

kcxiv 01-02-2013 10:58 AM

apparently Reid's wife is from Arizona, if thats the case, they have a HUGE HUGE advantage.

chiefzilla1501 01-02-2013 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9267867)
didn't Reid run a zone blitzing 3-4 for most of his time in philly?

was it 1-gap or 2-gap?

No. He ran a heavy blitz 4-3. Two DEs, two DTs.

If he brings Bowles, that makes me really nervous. If Bowles comes in, we are running two gap. He is a parcells disciple.

notorious 01-02-2013 10:58 AM

Clark,"Hello, Andy, we would like you to come to Kan......"

Reid,"Stop. Before you say anymore, is Pioli and Cassel still in KC?"

Clark,"Well, um, as a matter of fact I am just about to execute both of them as we speak."

Reid,"See you soon."

jd1020 01-02-2013 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9267872)
it's clear that Clark had no a single ****ing clue what was going on in his own organization...and was content to not have a clue till things literally blew up this year...

after the haley fiasco, it is mind boggling that he could remain so detached...

i still think that he thinks he can keep pioli and fans will be ok with it..

Seems he's right since a lot of people bought into that shit he said the other day.

DeezNutz 01-02-2013 10:58 AM

Eagles ran a 4-3.

ChiefMojo 01-02-2013 10:58 AM

DJ thanks for the bringing up the true Westbrook stats. That is more the stats I remembered and it would be perfect with Charles!

Mother****erJones 01-02-2013 10:59 AM

Pioli is the guy that cant land a dime piece of a girl so he accepts the fat girl

Chief Roundup 01-02-2013 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9267850)
Well that's certainly inaccurate. Like completely, categorically false. He had 3 consecutive seasons above 225 carries including 278 and another 90 catches out of the backfield in 2007.

Honestly, Charles has such good hands and such great HR ability, he's the perfect Andy Reid back. Charles would be an absolute stud under Reid getting about 15 carries/gm while also getting another 5-6 touches out of the backfield.

Reid would be huge for Charles. Charles is the evolutionary version of Brian Westbrook.

hmm well ok different sites show different stats. WTF. I guess I looked something up wrong. My bad sorry.

Mother****erJones 01-02-2013 10:59 AM

Ive always said Charles needs more catches

kcxiv 01-02-2013 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9267877)
Seems he's right since a lot of people bought into that shit he said the other day.

Well, to be fair, he humiliated Pioli. He brought him down a few notches and basically said, he's not in control anymore.

For Pioli, thats gotta hurt your ego a little bit at least, ifnot alot. lol

Mr. Laz 01-02-2013 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9267878)
Eagles ran a 4-3.

now ... but before when they blitzed all the time, wasn't that a 3-4?

had that older DC that got sick or something?

kcxiv 01-02-2013 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9267880)
Pioli is the guy that cant land a dime piece of a girl so he accepts the fat girl

meh, he can get any girl he wants once he flashes his bank account.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 9267871)
Look, AZ probably set theirs up before Clark got him on the phone. How is that being PROACTIVE?

Clark wants to get his name in the hat, sure, but Reid already made the decision to go there. I think it's a leverage deal. I don't think he us interested in KC he would have notified us.

He flew to ****ing Philly.

If you want to be Debbie Downer, Chiefnj is looking for somebody to hang out with.


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