Wisniewski in the Seminary
 

Raiders | Wisniewski Note - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
20:41 PT: The Associated Press reports the Oakland Raiders opened training camp on Friday missing OL Steve Wisniewski. He was at a "seminary function" in Southern California. Coach Jon Gruden, who said he has not heard that Wisniewski doesn't plan on playing this season, expected to talk to him in the next few days.


Further proof of the old saying "Religion, the last refuge of a scoundrel."

Further proof, jl, that you do not know what you are talking about and exceed every standard of decency with that insulting, irreligious comment. We do not know what is in his heart; only God does. And yes, even Raiders can be saved by the grace of God.

KCJ
Chaplain

KCJ,

I damn near deleted this post after I put it up cause I figured you would turn it into another opportunity to preach atop your house of cards...

How bout you dig real deep and try to show respect to a person, any person, that might have different views than your own. We don't need to rehash our beliefs. I fully understand where you stand and you fully understand where I am at...Though I absolutely don't share your views on the topic I still show you respect. Unlike you, you have to spew out things like "you do not know what you are talking about and exceed every standard of decency...".

I was merely throwing out a quote that I find funny...Not everyone will share in that humor but if they are secure in their beliefs they shouldn't take it as an insult...

Nap,
On a lighter note, with Wiesnewski in a seminary, and Kaufman's stated desire to follow the same path, does this mean that the clergy is being Raided?:D

Milkman,

I think so...Maybe Wiz and Kaufman can hold a religious cult rally complete with guns, blades and plenty of brown bagged 40's....

If you had intended it to be humorous, that was certainly NOT clear, and those of us who worship God would still not have found it amusing.

On an evengelical note, your comments ring with (unintended, I'm sure) TRUTH: religion, at least the faith of the Christian Church is INDEED a refuge for scoundrels, murderers, profane men, whores and thieves, rogues and irreligious people of every sort who are graciously invited to come to the cleansing fountain of Christ's holy blood and become new creations. Even Raiders players and YOU...

KCJ
Chaplain
:)

KCJ,

I found humor in it primarily due to the fact that we are talking about not only a Raider, but a Raider that is considered one of the dirtiest of all time...


But seriously, I truly believe my comment about a person who is secure in their belief should not be insulted...

For example, if you walk up to a guy who is chiseled out of stone like say Jason Seahorn and say "hey you big fat a$$..." he will probably laugh and is not going to be offended cause he knows it isn't true....on the other hand, you say the same thing to a women who is 100 pounds overweight and she will not only be offended but will probably start throwing insults back at you all the while start crying...

So if you truly believe you are holding life's golden egg of knowledge while the rest of us are just basking in our own ignorance, then you should just sit there and smile as opposed to hurling insults cause it gives you the look insecurity...

If I was insecure, Im would be too intimidated to offer the invitation to know the Savior.
It is popular in our culture to disparage religion. As a religious professional, I know that well. It is unpopular to propagate religion which begets wholesomeness, courage and virtue in men.
KCJ
Sinner

Just reading trying to catch up....so Wisniewski is one of the worst
Raiders? As in what kind of trouble, jail time? Drugs?? What? What is so funny that he has had a change of heart and is doing what he is right now. Nothing is stated that he isn't playing football yet. Just a little...:confused:

I'm not saying you are insecure in your beliefs...I was just giving you my 2 cents on how to avoid the appearance...


"It is popular in our culture to disparage religion." I am not so sure that I agree with this point...Even though there are many non-believer who share my views, most of them don't have the balls to voice it...I think this goes back to how this post started. Religious believers have a nearly impossible time being respectful to others who oppose their beliefs. So most people who are non-believers don't voice that opinion because they don't want to jeopardize friendships and relationships with believers.

It is rare that non-believer attack believers. Non-believers, in general are very open to hanging around and making friendship with believers. That is probably due to the fact that it takes an open mind to challenge the process in the first place. However, many believers refuse to associate with anyone who will not agree to share their views..."Worldly association".

jl80,

I am really not wanting to get into another theocratical debate, but I think it is worthy of note that your paradigm on our society is 180 different than mine.

I personally disagree with just about everything you stated in your last post :)

Luz
just sharing my viewpoint...

Luz,

Then explain to me why you think so many people throughout the world have been fighting religious wars with each other for hundreds of years?

My belief is that it all comes back to the fact that religious people in general have a very tough time respecting anyone who don't share their beliefs...However, I do welcome your thoughts on why you think they chose to fight and kill each other...



TommyKat,

I will spell it out for you...


The Raiders: Established historical reputation for being a bunch of thugs, scoundrels and the dirtiest team in football.

Wisniewski: Established reputation as being one of the dirtiest players on the dirtiest team that has the reputation for being the most corrupt franchise.


"Religion, the last refuge for a scoundrel..."


It is called IRONY

Thanks Punisher....Good to see someone in here without a chip on their shoulder...Sheeese...

jl80
I wasn't born yesterday~I know about the Raiders and their reputation...I just thought maybe Wisniewski had done something
other than the usual Raider players things.:p

Sorry TommyKat I mistook you for a KCJ pile-on....

He is just known as an eye gouging, illegal chop blocking dirty player...No criminal record.