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ChiefsCountry 12-17-2008 11:27 PM

Top 5 QB's Drafted Stats since 1970
 
1970
1. Terry Bradshaw

1971
1. Jim Plunkett
2. Archie Manning
3. Dan Pastroni

1973
2. Bert Jones

1975
1. Steve Bartkowski

1979
3. Jack Thompson

1982
4. Art Schlichter
5. Jim McMahon

1983
1. John Elway

1986
3. Jim Everett

1987
1. Vinny Testaverde

1989
1. Troy Aikman

1990
1. Jeff George

1993
1. Drew Bledsoe
2. Rick Mirer

1994
3. Heath Shuler

1995
3. Steve McNair
5. Kerry Collins

1998
1. Peyton Manning
2. Ryan Leaf

1999
1. Tim Couch
2. Donovan McNabb
3. Akill Smith

2001
1. Michael Vick

2002
1. David Carr
3. Joey Harrington

2003
1. Carson Palmer

2004
1. Eli Manning
4. Phillip Rivers

2005
1. Alex Smith

2006
3. Vince Young

2007
1. JaMarcus Russell

2008
3. Matt Ryan

Out of this group:
21 have made the Pro Bowl
12 have took teams to the Super Bowl
7 have won the Super Bowl
4 are Hall of Famers right now (Manning is for sure someothers have a good shot ie McNair, McNabb, Eli)
10 are pure busts
4 of the busts came in two drafts (1999, 2002)
1 Jeff George - no Pro Bowls but he wasnt a bust really, he played good with other teams, so he is in his own category

(Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell and Matt Ryan jury is still out - Young did have a Pro Bowl though)
Jim Plunkett never made a Pro Bowl but won two Super Bowls.

Just going off history you have close to a 70% you are going to get a Pro Bowl Quarterback with a top 5 pick. You have about the same percentage for a bust as Marty does for playoff wins.

L.A. Chieffan 12-17-2008 11:30 PM

McMahon wore cool shades too.

Zouk 12-17-2008 11:33 PM

Since 2000, only 4 of the 10 picks have worked out. If you go back to 1998, you get 6 out of 15. Those are bad percentages.

ChiefsCountry 12-17-2008 11:41 PM

By team:
Colts - 5
Oilers/Titans - 4
Bengals - 3
Falcons - 3
Chargers - 2
Patriots - 2

DeezNutz 12-17-2008 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5306979)
By team:
Colts - 5
Oilers/Titans - 4
Bengals - 3
Falcons - 3
Chargers - 2
Patriots - 2

Are 4 of these teams unhappy that they kept firing on trying to land an elite QB? Colts, Bengals, Falcons, Chargers? Granted, some of these players have a long way to go.

Patriots lucked into one. Titans are the lone team still feeling the sting, in some ways.

Imagine this fan base if we were the ones who selected Leaf. No way in hell would most KC fans have had the sack to draft Rivers (Manning, you know what I mean) only six years later. ****, some Chiefs fans probably still want Croyle to have another crack at it.

Rain Man 12-18-2008 12:37 AM

Removing the guys with three seasons or less for the moment, here's how I'd rank them. I'm giving this very little thought, so don't beat me up.

Looking at it this way, there's a 50/50 chance that you'll get a Bert Jones or better - a solid pro. there's a 25 percent chance you'll get an Archie Manning or better - a good to great QB. I'd take those odds.


Peyton Manning
John Elway (jerk)
Terry Bradshaw
Donovan McNabb
Troy Aikman
Drew Bledsoe
Steve McNair
Archie Manning
Steve Bartkowski
Eli Manning
Jim Plunkett
Vinny Testaverde
Jim McMahon
Carson Palmer
Jim Everett
Phillip Rivers
Bert Jones
Dan Pastorini
Jeff George
Michael Vick
Kerry Collins
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Alex Smith
Tim Couch
Heath Shuler
Rick Mirer
Akill Smith
Jack Thompson
Art Schlichter
Ryan Leaf

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-18-2008 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 5307138)
Removing the guys with three seasons or less for the moment, here's how I'd rank them. I'm giving this very little thought, so don't beat me up.

Looking at it this way, there's a 50/50 chance that you'll get a Bert Jones or better - a solid pro. there's a 25 percent chance you'll get an Archie Manning or better - a good to great QB. I'd take those odds.


Peyton Manning
John Elway (jerk)
Terry Bradshaw
Donovan McNabb
Troy Aikman
Drew Bledsoe
Steve McNair
Archie Manning
Steve Bartkowski
Eli Manning
Jim Plunkett
Vinny Testaverde
Jim McMahon
Carson Palmer
Jim Everett
Phillip Rivers
Bert Jones
Dan Pastorini
Jeff George
Michael Vick
Kerry Collins
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Alex Smith
Tim Couch
Heath Shuler
Rick Mirer
Akill Smith
Jack Thompson
Art Schlichter
Ryan Leaf

We have a breakthrough in this man's therapy. Thanks to the aggressive stereotactic gamma knife radiation of ChiefsCountry's list, RainMan has taken those odds.

Allahu Akbar!!

Rain Man 12-18-2008 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5307142)
We have a breakthrough in this man's therapy. Thanks to the aggressive stereotactic gamma knife radiation of ChiefsCountry's list, RainMan has taken those odds.

Allahu Akbar!!

You mean you finally agree with me?

ChiefsCountry 12-18-2008 08:15 AM

Not as risky as alot of you think huh.

FringeNC 12-18-2008 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5306965)
Since 2000, only 4 of the 10 picks have worked out. If you go back to 1998, you get 6 out of 15. Those are bad percentages.

Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young shouldn't count. Those were owner-driven picks.

CoMoChief 12-18-2008 08:50 AM

Eli won't make the HOF

Extra Point 12-18-2008 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306993)
****, some Chiefs fans probably still want Croyle to have another crack at it.

Remember when we picked Blackledge? Croyle is too damaged to get back on the field, except as a backup. Chan and Thiggy aren't doing too bad with what we have for line help. Wait and see who's coming out for the draft, but I don't think the QBOTF is going to declare this year.

EyePod 12-18-2008 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306993)
Are 4 of these teams unhappy that they kept firing on trying to land an elite QB? Colts, Bengals, Falcons, Chargers? Granted, some of these players have a long way to go.

Patriots lucked into one. Titans are the lone team still feeling the sting, in some ways.

Imagine this fan base if we were the ones who selected Leaf. No way in hell would most KC fans have had the sack to draft Rivers (Manning, you know what I mean) only six years later. ****, some Chiefs fans probably still want Croyle to have another crack at it.

Palmer is good. He just has no defense whatsoever. An offense can only go so far, unless you are the Rams from that one Superbowl...

DeezNutz 12-18-2008 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Extra Point (Post 5307598)
Remember when we picked Blackledge? Croyle is too damaged to get back on the field, except as a backup. Chan and Thiggy aren't doing too bad with what we have for line help. Wait and see who's coming out for the draft, but I don't think the QBOTF is going to declare this year.

Maybe not. We can't make a player magically appear, but, odds are, there will be a front-line QB somewhere in this draft, and the Chefs need to find him. Furthermore, the odds are that said QB will be an early-round selection.

If there's no one available when KC picks in round one, I'd be very happy to take the second best QB in the draft at the top of round 2. Maybe this is Davis? Maybe it's someone else.

It will be interesting to look back in a few years and wonder if the Chiefs really messed up by not taking Flacco in '08.

Baby Lee 12-18-2008 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5307620)
Palmer is good. He just has no defense whatsoever. An offense can only go so far, unless you are the Rams from that one Superbowl...

I assume you're talking about the one they lost, because the D from the one they won was clutch.


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