ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Chiefs Whose fault is Tamba Hali? (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=200551)

unothadeal 01-17-2009 07:58 PM

Whose fault is Tamba Hali?
 
Are the coaches to blame for Hali's drop off in numbers? His first two seasons he had 8 and 7.5 sacks. This season he only had 3. Is it not the same three coaches (Edwards, Gunther, Krumrie) coaching him throughout his career?

Why all of a sudden do his sack numbers drop so significantly?

Is it Hali himself who isn't motivated? What happened to Herm's motivational skills?

Is Hali a 1st round bust just like Ryan Sims who's lack of talent was hidden by Jared Allen's great play?

Are the coaches to blame for his 3 sacks this season or is Hali?

Hammock Parties 01-17-2009 08:00 PM

He should never have been moved to RE.

He's not a bust he can be a complementary player on a defense that has a great pass rusher.

Mecca 01-17-2009 08:00 PM

I'm not sure what a coach can do for him..

He's a physically maxed out player that was pretty polished the day he was drafted, a guy like that isn't going to get a whole lot better. When the league starts figuring him out he has to find another way to make plays because he doesn't have the pure talent to just beat a guy.

When you have all the moves and techniques down but don't have great talent this is what happens...you can't just teach a guy to grow more talent.

kcxiv 01-17-2009 08:00 PM

I dont think he's a star or will ever be or intended to be, but he has been hurt lately. I think he's going to suffer from the Carlos Hall syndrome with his knee's.

Anyways, they took a shot and it didnt work out. Not to mention them trying to put him in JA's spot.

RealSNR 01-17-2009 08:00 PM

Tamba Hali is Tamba Hali's fault, I'm guessing.

RealSNR 01-17-2009 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5400458)
He should never have been moved to RE.

He's not a bust he can be a complementary player on a defense that has a great pass rusher.

Yep. He's definitely not a playmaker by himself like Jared Allen was

Mecca 01-17-2009 08:02 PM

Tamba Hali's parents are the ones to blame.....he tries hard he just doesn't have the natural talent to make it work.

You can blame the Chiefs for taking a player like that in the 1st round.

Hammock Parties 01-17-2009 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5400460)
he doesn't have the pure talent to just beat a guy.

I disagree. His first two years he was beating right tackles around the edge consistently. Hell, if he had wrapped up the quarterback in 2007 he would have had 14 sacks.

Halfcan 01-17-2009 08:02 PM

Hali will bounce back.

Chief Roundup 01-17-2009 08:04 PM

I wouldn't doubt that it is a combination of things.
Changing positions is not easy to do either.
There is not much to demand a double team on our DL.
There is not good enough coaching to help him get through the "sophmore slump".
There is not much reason to have a lot of motivation playing on the squad. Sometimes it is easier to keep that motor going for 2 or 3 more seconds when you believe and trust in the other players around you.

Mecca 01-17-2009 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5400469)
I disagree. His first two years he was beating right tackles around the edge consistently. Hell, if he had wrapped up the quarterback in 2007 he would have had 14 sacks.

And now we're to this point where the league starts to figure a guy out...Hali was what he was on draft day, his best year in the league was his 1st year...that speaks to a guy who's maxed out coaching isn't going to help him.

He'll either remain what he is or get worse.

L.A. Chieffan 01-17-2009 08:07 PM

hay guyz what do you think about Hali being moved to RE? you think that that might have been it. i bet it was because he got moved to RE. Hes's not a RE. they shouldnt have moved him to RE. hes ok but not at RE. RE is bad for Hali. if he stayed at LE he wouldve been okl but not at RE

keg in kc 01-17-2009 08:10 PM

He's always hurt. I'm not sure whose fault that is, but I think that's the real issue. It's not major injury/IR kind of stuff, so maybe people don't even realize he's got them since he doesn't miss games, but he's had a nagging, season-long injuries the last two years -- foot problems in '07 and leg problems in '08. Bad wheels are not a good thing for a defensive end. Either way, one year was bad luck; two years is a trend. And that's a shame.

EyePod 01-17-2009 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5400458)
He should never have been moved to RE.

He's not a bust he can be a complementary player on a defense that has a great pass rusher.

I think you can't label him as a bust... but he's still underperformed by a lot.

el borracho 01-17-2009 08:14 PM

1. Hali obviously isn't that good to begin with.
2. Jared Allen's production boosted Hali's numbers.
3. Hali was helplessly overmatched on the right.

I hope we let him walk whenever his rookie contract is up and draft a real DE.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:54 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.