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kcbubb 01-24-2009 02:34 PM

Haley reminds me of....
 
Brian Billick.

Billick was the offensive coordinator of the Vikings from 92-98 and had one the highest scoring offenses in league history in 1998. The Vikes had an older QB, Randall Cunningham, a super talented, young receiver, Randy Moss, and another very good receiver, Chris Carter.

Billick went on to win a superbowl, but his offenses were never very good.

The point of the comparison is to show that coaches are often given credit for success that may not be attributable to them. Haley maybe a great coach, but the success of the cardinals offense is not enough to determine that.

The Chiefs should hire Chan Gailey as head coach and wait for a more proven coach if Gailey is not successful instead of making a huge commitment to a unproven coach like Hailey.

The Bad Guy 01-24-2009 02:35 PM

Chan Gailey was a massive, massive failure as a HC.

I do not want to play musical chairs with coaches each year. Hire the guy you want leading this team for the next 5 years this year.

It better not be Gailey.

Manila-Chief 01-24-2009 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5423024)
Brian Billick.

Billick was the offensive coordinator of the Vikings from 92-98 and had one the highest scoring offenses in league history in 1998. The Vikes had an older QB, Randall Cunningham, a super talented, young receiver, Randy Moss, and another very good receiver, Chris Carter.

Billick went on to win a superbowl, but his offenses were never very good.

The point of the comparison is to show that coaches are often given credit for success that may not be attributable to them. Haley maybe a great coach, but the success of the cardinals offense is not enough to determine that.

The Chiefs should hire Chan Gailey as head coach and wait for a more proven coach if Gailey is not successful instead of making a huge commitment to a unproven coach like Hailey.

Why hire a loser? Chan has never won as a HC.

And, no they should not hire an interim HC. If they were going to do that they should have kept Herm on for the last year of his contract. They should get "their" coach so he can help Pioli build the team. You can hire a coach now ... have a draft/FA's and then start all over next year.

Bugeater 01-24-2009 02:43 PM

OMGWTF

Bowser 01-24-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 5423067)
OMGWTF

With a little BBQKFCJFC thrown in.

RustShack 01-24-2009 02:58 PM

I wouldn't mind a young Billick. Especially one that hires a good OC.

kcbubb 01-24-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5423034)
Chan Gailey was a massive, massive failure as a HC.

I do not want to play musical chairs with coaches each year. Hire the guy you want leading this team for the next 5 years this year.

It better not be Gailey.


There is not a coach like that available.

kcbubb 01-24-2009 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5423034)
Chan Gailey was a massive, massive failure as a HC.

I do not want to play musical chairs with coaches each year. Hire the guy you want leading this team for the next 5 years this year.

It better not be Gailey.

Gailey was not a great HC with the cowboys but he did make the playoffs both years that he was there as head coach. He could be good with a good defensive coordinator. Not my ideal choice, but with his experience with the offense, he could continue to develop the offense with better lineman.

The Bad Guy 01-24-2009 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5423144)
There is not a coach like that available.

Of course there is.

Did you think Mike Smith could lead the Falcons to the playoffs with a rookie QB?

The Bad Guy 01-24-2009 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5423183)
Gailey was not a great HC with the cowboys but he did make the playoffs both years that he was there as head coach. He could be good with a good defensive coordinator. Not my ideal choice, but with his experience with the offense, he could continue to develop the offense with better lineman.

He had an insane amount of talent with the Cowboys.

He was ****ing awful as a college coach, and it took him about 8 weeks to figure out his offense wasn't working.

Bowser 01-24-2009 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5423183)
Gailey was not a great HC with the cowboys but he did make the playoffs both years that he was there as head coach. He could be good with a good defensive coordinator. Not my ideal choice, but with his experience with the offense, he could continue to develop the offense with better lineman.

Hell, YOU could have made the playoffs with the Cowboys' roster then. They won the Super Bowl with Barry freaking Switzer, fer crissakes.

RustShack 01-24-2009 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5423144)
There is not a coach like that available.

Thats what Patriots fans thought about Billichick at first and same with Colts fans thought about Dungy... since both weren't that good the first time around.

kcbubb 01-24-2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5423192)
Thats what Patriots fans thought about Billichick at first and same with Colts fans thought about Dungy... since both weren't that good the first time around.

So, are you saying that I'm right about Gailey since Belichick and Dungy were both fired from previous coaching positions before becoming successful? Belichick had one winning season with the Browns in five seasons. Dungy was more successful than Belichick in his previous head coaching job with the Bucs, but the Bucs still fired him.

Haley doesn't have any head coaching experience, so I don't see how this relates to him.

FloridaMan88 01-24-2009 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5423024)
The Chiefs should hire Chan Gailey as head coach and wait for a more proven coach if Gailey is not successful instead of making a huge commitment to a unproven coach like Hailey.

So basically your strategy is for the Chiefs to essentially not compete until they can get a proven coach?

What if they hire Gailey and the Chiefs go 9-7 next year. Under your plan, you would favor the Chiefs firing Gailey and hiring Cowher or Shanahan?

Is your plan advocating essentially naming Gailing as an interim head coach until they can hire a head coach like Cowher?

Do you realize how brain-dead your idea looks?

Seriously :shake:

RustShack 01-24-2009 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5423242)
So, are you saying that I'm right about Gailey since Belichick and Dungy were both fired from previous coaching positions before becoming successful? Belichick had one winning season with the Browns in five seasons. Dungy was more successful than Belichick in his previous head coaching job with the Bucs, but the Bucs still fired him.

Haley doesn't have any head coaching experience, so I don't see how this relates to him.

In a way, but personally I would rather not promote someone to HC from a 2-14 team. Especially when you look at the talent Gailey has had compared to what those two had with their first teams.


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