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BigRock 03-16-2009 11:55 PM

Clark Judge drops an atom bomb on Cutler
 
Ouch.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11510371

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So now Jay Cutler is mad as hell and sure looks like he's not going to take it in Denver anymore. Great. Almost makes you wish the Broncos never disposed of Jake Plummer, huh?

Well, it does me. If ever there was a quarterback done wrong it was poor Jake. He didn't throw the tightest spiral. He took too many chances. And he threw unnecessary interceptions. He was booed at home, booed on the road and shredded weekly by the hometown media for his flaws. In short, he was embraced like the Avian flu.

So what's to like? This: He was 40-18 as a starter. All the guy did was win.

He took the Broncos to the playoffs in 2003. He did it again in 2004. He had them in the 2005 AFC Championship Game. Yet he was gone two seasons later, shuffled off to Tampa Bay to make way for Cutler, the second coming of John Elway. Only, he's not. He's not even the second coming of Jake Plummer, and, no, I don't care that he throws a fast ball like Randy Johnson or that his right arm can launch space shuttles.

I want someone who can win, and Jay Cutler is 17-20 as a starter, failing to reach the playoffs in his NFL career. Plummer not only got there three of his four seasons in Denver, he took the Cardinals to the playoffs in 1998, their first appearance in a non-strike year in over two decades.

Denver never had a losing season under Plummer. It hasn't had a winning season under Cutler. Draw your own conclusions. I have, and they go something like this: Plummer knew how to win; Cutler knows how to throw a pretty pass. I know which I'd rather have.

When the Broncos drafted Cutler they were coming off a 13-3 season where they beat New England and were one win from the Super Bowl. But after losing to Pittsburgh in the conference championship game, coach Mike Shanahan decided he could go no deeper into the playoffs with Plummer. So he traded up for Cutler.

For Plummer, the message was clear: His get-out-of-Denver ticket had just been punched, and Cutler would succeed him in no more than a year. Anything short of the Super Bowl wouldn't matter for Plummer, who could take his 40-18 record somewhere else and watch what could have been.

Plummer didn't sulk. He didn't demand to be traded. He didn't threaten to move. And he never asked to meet with his head coach or demand an explanation.

"Jay is going to be a hell of a player," Plummer told me that summer, "but, hopefully, when his time is right. Until that time I'm going to be the one taking the snaps.

"Fans always like change. I understand that. It's almost like having an old girlfriend. You always think the pasture may be greener on the other side. But until Jay is ready they're going to have to deal with me."

Now that's what I want to hear from my quarterback. Don't tell me your feelings are hurt. Don't go running to your realtor. And don't mention the name Matt Cassel because if you're more concerned about what is beyond your control -- and, contrary to what he might think, Jay Cutler is not running this show -- you're doomed as a quarterback.

Of course, Jay Cutler is not doomed. He has a long career ahead of him, and he has a world of talent. What he doesn't have is the guts of Jake Plummer, and too bad. He could learn something from his predecessor. In fact, the more I hear Cutler whine the more I'm convinced Denver owes Plummer an apology.

He didn't score many style points while he was there; he just won. For some reason, that wasn't enough. So he was sliced, diced and spliced by his critics. Cutler, on the other hand, is cut a break ... and for what? He took over his rookie season when the Broncos were 7-4 and lost three of five starts. No problem there. Rookie quarterbacks struggle. But then he was 7-9 in his second season and 8-8 in his third. Worse, the Broncos positively self-destructed last year, blowing a three-game lead with three weeks to go.

Yeah, I know, it wasn't Cutler's fault. It might have helped if Denver had a running back who could stay in the lineup for three weeks or a defense that didn't leak like the Titanic. But all the Broncos had to do was win one freakin' game in three tries, and they couldn't pull it off. Blame the defense all you want, but look what Cutler did down the stretch: Nothing.

In his last three games he had two touchdown passes and four interceptions. Worse, he lost to Buffalo at home on the next to last weekend of the season. I don't want to hear how he threw for 359 yards or 316 the next weekend against San Diego. He didn't win. Period. End of story.

So his defense stunk. Kurt Warner's defense in Arizona wasn't all that great, either. And the Cardinals' running game was worse than Denver's. In fact, it was worse than everyone. But Arizona pulled the mother of all upsets by winning the NFC and coming within 45 seconds of knocking off Pittsburgh in Super Bowl XLIII. Warner overcame the club's shortcomings because that is what good quarterbacks are supposed to do.

Cutler is acknowledged as one of the game's top young quarterbacks, yet he can't overcome much of anything. And that is a problem. He can complain about Philip Rivers, but I know which one I'd trust in the clutch -- and it's not Cutler. He can complain about his new head coach, too, but this just in, Jay: Josh McDaniels didn't draft you; Mike Shanahan did. And while I don't agree with how this was handled -- or mishandled -- it is a reminder to Cutler to wake up and realize the NFL is a business.

It is also evidence that Cutler might not be the quarterback we thought he was. So he lives in the shadow of Elway. Big deal. So did Jake Plummer. In fact, Plummer was closer to the Elway era than Cutler, so the contrasts were more apparent. He didn't throw like Elway, but he did find a way to win -- and isn't that how we measure our quarterbacks?

When, at last, Plummer was dismissed by the Broncos, he didn't cry or rant about the decision. He simply retired, exiled by a team and a city that didn't appreciate him.

Cutler was supposed to be an improvement on Plummer, but while he has the measureables -- the size, the big arm, the accuracy -- he's as short on the intangibles as he is on victories. The guy needs to toughen up and drop his woe-is-me mantra. If he can't get over what happened here, how does he demonstrate to teammates that he is resilient; that he is someone they can trust when their world is crumbling? And how does he prove he can shut out everything around him on the field when he can shut nothing out now? More to the point, how does he prove he can beat San Diego without the help of referee Ed Hochuli?

Maybe he can't. Maybe we should face facts and realize that while he's no John Elway he may be no Jake Plummer, either.

BigRock 03-16-2009 11:56 PM

Saying "you're no Jake Plummer" is like the written equivalent of this:

http://i44.tinypic.com/qzf9c9.gif

Hammock Parties 03-16-2009 11:59 PM

Mostly he wrote a bunch of bullshit.

Plummer was 40-18 because Denver actually had a defense when he was the QB.

Just Passin' By 03-17-2009 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5588707)
Mostly he wrote a bunch of bullshit.

Plummer was 40-18 because Denver actually had a defense when he was the QB.

That defense must have had a collective death the moment Cutler took over, then.

BigRock 03-17-2009 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5588707)
Mostly he wrote a bunch of bullshit.

The stuff about Plummer not reacting like a bitch when Cutler was drafted to replace him is more relevant than anything about defense.

crazycoffey 03-17-2009 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5588720)
That defense must have had a collective death the moment Cutler took over, then.


Zing...

Hammock Parties 03-17-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5588720)
That defense must have had a collective death the moment Cutler took over, then.

It pretty much did. Firing Coyer was a reeruned move.

Cormac 03-17-2009 12:51 AM

Ripping Cutler is fun. But saying "he was no Jake Plummer" is insulting to anybody. Truthfully, IMO, they both suck.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-17-2009 01:09 AM

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He's not even the second coming of Jake Plummer, and, no, I don't care that he throws a fast ball like Randy Johnson or that his right arm can launch space shuttles.
You arm chair, arm-lovers will HEED this message, damn you!!!:cuss:

Taco John 03-17-2009 01:58 AM

I thought he dropped an atom bomb on his own credibility.

Plummer is playing handball in Sandpoint, Idaho.

skky man 03-17-2009 03:24 AM

Plummers succsess was fueled by running the boot on the chiefs. UGGGG! It pains me to remember!

Plummer: "Coach what's the game plan this week"

Mike: "run the boot 45 times"

Plummer: "Sweet"

Mile High Mania 03-17-2009 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5588720)
That defense must have had a collective death the moment Cutler took over, then.

Funny... it's definitely a reach to compare the two. Just look at the defensive rankings.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/

Look at the Defensive Rankings for Points and Yards in the Plummer and Culter eras. They Ranked 9, 9, 3 and 8 in DEFENSE (points allowed) under Plummer, then 28 and 30 with Cutler.

Wild dropoff and it was similar in yards.

Again, Jay has issues... but for guys like Judge to give all the blame to Jay is insane.

mikey23545 03-17-2009 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 5588764)
I thought he dropped an atom bomb on his own credibility.

Plummer is playing handball in Sandpoint, Idaho.

Yeah, and I bet he's better at that than Cutler as well...

Mile High Mania 03-17-2009 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5588794)
Yeah, and I bet he's better at that than Cutler as well...

So, you think Plummer is better than Cutler? Wow... I like how people look back on things years later. All i remember from you guys and the media back in the seasons of 10, 10 and 13 wins with Jake in Denver is how it was more about a great rushing game and top 10-12 defense.

Now, it's more Jake... gotta love it.

King_Chief_Fan 03-17-2009 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 5588764)
I thought he dropped an atom bomb on his own credibility.

Plummer is playing handball in Sandpoint, Idaho.

atom bombs dropping all over Denver
Bowlen bombed Shanahan
McDufus bombed Cutler
The fans bombed by both:deevee:


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