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Cjanz 11-24-2009 05:59 PM

A man's rediagnosis reveals conscious activity during a 23-year "coma"
 
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London, England (CNN) -- A Belgian car crash victim who was misdiagnosed as being in a vegetative state for 23 years was conscious the whole time, it has emerged.

For years he listened to the conversations going on around him but he was unable to communicate with his doctors or family.

Rom Houben was 23 at the time of the near-fatal car crash in 1983 that left him paralyzed. Doctors presumed he was in a vegetative state following the accident and they believed he could feel and hear nothing.

Neurologist Dr.Steven Laureys of the University of Liege, in Belgium carried out a brain scan using state-of-the art scanning system and discovered that Houben's brain was fully functional.

In an interview with the UK's ITV news Monday, Rom communicated by typing on a special keyboard attached to his wheelchair, and aided by his carer.

He said: "At some moments it was terribly lonely but I knew my family was believing in me."

"I simply want to enjoy life," he added. "I notice a big difference now I'm back in contact with the world."

The case has highlighted the difficulties doctors face when trying to diagnose the level of consciousness of a patient in a coma-like state.

A study carried out last year on 103 patients by Laureys and his colleagues at Liege's Coma Science Group found that 41 percent of patients in a Minimally Conscious State (MCS) were misdiagnosed as being in the much more serious Vegetative State (VS).

Dr. Daniel Hanley, professor of neurology at Johns Hopkins Medicine, in Maryland, told CNN that VS is a coma-like state in which patients have a sleep and wake cycle, and can show reflex chewing, swallowing and blinking, but don't respond to language or stimulation.

Patients in MCS occasionally show they are aware of their environment, for example moving to face a doctor when asked, but only infrequently.

Laureys said of his research, "Differentiating the vegetative from the minimally conscious state is often one of the most challenging tasks facing clinicians involved in the care of patients with disorders of consciousness.

"Misdiagnosis can lead to grave consequences, especially in end-of-life decision-making."
He was conscious for a long time, but it's difficult to know for how long.
--Caroline Schnakers, Coma Science Group

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Caroline Schnakers, who carried out the research with Laureys, told CNN that one probable reason for the high rate of misdiagnosis is that doctors often base their diagnosis on observations of a patient's behavior, rather than assessing patients using standardized tests.

"Assessment is usually behavioral," Schnakers told CNN. "For example, if you come into a room and a patient's eyes follow you, or if they smile when you make a joke, they are conscious -- but it doesn't mean they will still be able to do that one hour later."

Schnakers said that using standardized tests could reduce incidents of misdiagnosis.

The Glasgow Coma Scale is a standardized test that classifies a patient's motor, verbal and eye response on a graded scale. It was widely used until about 2000 to classify a patient's level of consciousness, but Schnakers says it may contribute to misdiagnosis.

She told CNN, "In our study we used the JFK Coma Recovery Scale-Revised (CRS-R), which is standardized for detecting signs of consciousness in someone recovering from a coma. It's very sensitive and avoided a lot more misdiagnosis than the Glasgow Coma Scale."

The CRS-R was developed at the JFK Johnson Rehabilitation Institute and grades patients' verbalization, communication, motor function, visual function and response to sound.

Diagnosis can be further complicated by another condition, called Locked-In Syndrome. Much less common than VS or MCS, patients in a locked-in state are totally aware of their environment but have minimal reflexive movements, typically only being able to blink their eyes. Hanley told CNN that Houben may have been in a locked-in state.

But Houben's diagnosis may have been made more difficult by the fact that he was partly paralyzed, meaning he was unable to show a motor response.

"He was conscious for a long time, but it's difficult to know for how long," said Schnakers. "Maybe he had a period of VS, but you wouldn't know how long it lasted, even if you ask a patient how long they were in VS or MCS."

Hanley explained that diagnosis is also more difficult if a patient is being treated with sedative drugs, which can cause severe neurological impairment that can mimic VS. But even given those considerations, Hanley says neurologists should easily be able to tell the difference between a patient in VS and MCS.

Dr. Nicholas Schiff, of the Weill Cornell Medical Center, in New York, told CNN that the risk of misdiagnosis is increased because a patient's condition can change over a long period and the transition from VS to MS often takes place outside the time window of careful assessment.

"The 'standard' is probably transfer to nursing home from acute care at an early stage, where an accurate diagnosis of VS gets replaced at the nursing home with an inaccurate prognosis of permanent VS, explicitly or implicitly," Schiff said.

"Because there are no standards for reassessment or any access to rehabilitation centers for many of these patients this is the status quo."
TL;DR? A man was misdiagnosed as being in a vegetative state, and after 23 years, his conscious state has been discovered and the story has emerged.

Talk about a medical blunder...

Fritz88 11-24-2009 06:04 PM

I think it turned out to be untrue or hoax.

Reaper16 11-24-2009 06:05 PM

That would be the worst possible kind of Hell on Earth.

Iowanian 11-24-2009 06:10 PM

I'd rather be smothered and my organs donated.

Cjanz 11-24-2009 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 6291859)
I think it turned out to be untrue or hoax.

Ah, that's certainly interesting. I've just read about that, and it seems fairly legitimate. Apparently he's been manipulated by a facilitator, but beyond that the details grow fuzzy as to what this actually entails.

Either way, I also read a statistic that cited a 41% misdiagnosis rate when it comes to comatose patients. Whether or not this case is in actuality true, it's scary to think of the circumstance from a patient's point of view.

Reaper16 11-24-2009 06:15 PM

Hilarious Google ad at the bottom of the page: a malpractice attorney.

Brock 11-24-2009 06:18 PM

Did I hear about a guy who woke up on the organ harvest operating table?

Dante84 11-24-2009 06:18 PM

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rtmike 11-24-2009 06:52 PM

When I was in my coma the Doctors had NO idea if or when I'd come out of it and didn't know what damages would occur if I did wake up.

I think they're no different than us trying to figure out who to start on our fantasy team.

And any prognosis is luck one way or the other, like life.

My two cents.

CrazyPhuD 11-24-2009 06:54 PM

If only he hadn't gotten that flu shot in 1983...

Rain Man 11-24-2009 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rtmike (Post 6291958)
When I was in my coma the Doctors had NO idea if or when I'd come out of it and didn't know what damages would occur if I did wake up.

I think they're no different than us trying to figure out who to start on our fantasy team.

And any prognosis is luck one way or the other, like life.

My two cents.



You were in a coma? How long, if I may ask? And do you remember anything about it?


Back to the original post, that whole "locked in" thing is about the scariest thing I can imagine.

rtmike 11-24-2009 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6291972)
You were in a coma? How long, if I may ask? And do you remember anything about it?


Back to the original post, that whole "locked in" thing is about the scariest thing I can imagine.

6 days. My little brother, sister & Mom were there from Texas. He was carrying on about a nurse he was trying to hook up with. When I woke up he told me all about it again, I thought to myself why is he telling me all this again. I didn't figure it out until later.

They told my family members' to talk to me but I guess whenever my brother did, my heart rate would sky rocket.

It was kinda comical. When my wife showed up after I woke up I said, "Look, I can't move my feet anymore" She gave me that WTF look. :D
I swore to the Doctors' that I could walk before all this.

Strangest part was waking up & wondering why I had a piece of hard rubber plus a tube in my mouth & why I was in the hospital.

It took a while.

Rain Man 11-24-2009 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rtmike (Post 6292003)
6 days. My little brother, sister & Mom were there from Texas. He was carrying on about a nurse he was trying to hook up with. When I woke up he told me all about it again, I thought to myself why is he telling me all this again. I didn't figure it out until later.

They told my family members' to talk to me but I guess whenever my brother did, my heart rate would sky rocket.

It was kinda comical. When my wife showed up after I woke up I said, "Look, I can't move my feet anymore" She gave me that WTF look. :D
I swore to the Doctors' that I could walk before all this.

Strangest part was waking up & wondering why I had a piece of hard rubber plus a tube in my mouth & why I was in the hospital.

It took a while.


Interesting. So you could remember your brother talking to you, but you didn't know you were in a coma? So maybe your ears and long-term memory were still processing stuff, but you were, for lack of a better term, unconscious in the rest of your brain?

I find brain stuff to be fascinating. There are articles about people having strokes in particular parts of their brain that disable bizarre specific things, like people who can look at a fork and not be able to tell you what it is, but if you then tell them to pick the fork they can do it. But they then can't tell you what they picked up. It's captivating to me.

macdawg 11-24-2009 08:44 PM

The auditory cortex & motor cortex are right next to each other in the brain, if the motor cortex isn't working you can't really tell if the auditory cortex is working. rtmike's post shows what a great thing it is for the family to have faith and to speak with their loved ones whether or not the loved one is responsive.

Slayer Diablo 11-24-2009 11:38 PM

That doctor is...SO...****ING...SUED.


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