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Dave Lane 02-11-2014 08:46 PM

Astronomers Find First Evidence Of Other Universes
 
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Our cosmos was “bruised” in collisions with other universes. Now astronomers have found the first evidence of these impacts in the cosmic microwave background



There’s something exciting afoot in the world of cosmology. Last month, Roger Penrose at the University of Oxford and Vahe Gurzadyan at Yerevan State University in Armenia announced that they had found patterns of concentric circles in the cosmic microwave background, the echo of the Big Bang.

This, they say, is exactly what you’d expect if the universe were eternally cyclical. By that, they mean that each cycle ends with a big bang that starts the next cycle. In this model, the universe is a kind of cosmic Russian Doll, with all previous universes contained within the current one.

That’s an extraordinary discovery: evidence of something that occurred before the (conventional) Big Bang.

Today, another group says they’ve found something else in the echo of the Big Bang. These guys start with a different model of the universe called eternal inflation. In this way of thinking, the universe we see is merely a bubble in a much larger cosmos. This cosmos is filled with other bubbles, all of which are other universes where the laws of physics may be dramatically different to ours.

These bubbles probably had a violent past, jostling together and leaving “cosmic bruises” where they touched. If so, these bruises ought to be visible today in the cosmic microwave background.

Now Stephen Feeney at University College London and a few pals say they’ve found tentative evidence of this bruising in the form of circular patterns in cosmic microwave background. In fact, they’ve found four bruises, implying that our universe must have smashed into other bubbles at least four times in the past.

Again, this is an extraordinary result: the first evidence of universes beyond our own.

So, what to make of these discoveries. First, these effects could easily be a trick of the eye. As Feeney and co acknowledge: “it is rather easy to fifind all sorts of statistically unlikely properties in a large dataset like the CMB.” That’s for sure!

There are precautions statisticians can take to guard against this, which both Feeney and Penrose bring to bear in various ways.

But these are unlikely to settle the argument. In the last few weeks, several groups have confirmed Penrose’s finding while others have found no evidence for it. Expect a similar pattern for Feeney’s result.

The only way to settle this will be to confirm or refute the findings with better data. As luck would have it, new data is forthcoming thanks to the Planck spacecraft that is currently peering into the cosmic microwave background with more resolution and greater sensitivity than ever.

Cosmologists should have a decent data set to play with in a couple of years or so. When they get it, these circles should either spring into clear view or disappear into noise (rather like the mysterious Mars face that appeared in pictures of the red planet taken by Viking 1 and then disappeared in the higher resolution shots from the Mars Global Surveyor).

Planck should settle the matter; or, with any luck, introduce an even better mystery. In the meantime, there’s going to be some fascinating discussion about this data and what it implies about the nature of the Universe. We’ll be watching.

Ref:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1012.1995: First Observational Tests of Eternal Inflation

http://arxiv.org/abs/1011.3706: Concentric Circles In WMAP Data May Provide Evidence Of Violent Pre-Big-Bang Activity

Buck 02-11-2014 08:51 PM

If this is true, the word universe is going to need a new definition.

u·ni·verse
ˈyo͞onəˌvərs
noun
1.
all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.

petegz28 02-11-2014 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10428440)
If this is true, the word universe is going to need a new definition.

u·ni·verse
ˈyo͞onəˌvərs
noun
1.
all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.

Not necessarily. The concept of a "multi-verse" is not anything new. So not so much a re-definition so much as a clarification.

-King- 02-11-2014 08:56 PM

I can't even begin to comprehend other universes.
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HonestChieffan 02-11-2014 08:57 PM

Did you get a picture dave?

J Diddy 02-11-2014 08:59 PM

How much to send HCF to another universe? I got $5 on it as long as there is no internet access.

Cephalic Trauma 02-11-2014 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Bull (Post 10428455)
How much to send HCF to another universe? I got $5 on it as long as there is no internet access.

+5

notorious 02-11-2014 09:02 PM

The Chiefs are still celebrating their 4 SB win in a row in another Universe.

BigRedChief 02-11-2014 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10428440)
it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.

not to quibble but we just discovered a 13.6 billion year old universe.:p

ThatRaceCardGuy 02-11-2014 09:03 PM

I'm still having trouble comprehending how you blow a 28 point lead in the second half...now this ? II'm done.

notorious 02-11-2014 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thatguy (Post 10428462)
I'm still having trouble comprehending how you blow a 28 point lead in the second half...now this ? II'm done.

In another Universe, the Chiefs kept rolling in the 2nd half.


We got the shit Universe. I hope my double in the good Universe dies in an AIDS fire.

listopencil 02-11-2014 09:06 PM

Cool. Looking forward to the next data set.

J Diddy 02-11-2014 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10428457)
The Chiefs are still celebrating their 4 SB win in a row in another Universe.

In that case, how much to send me to another universe? HCF can ****ing have this one.

Bowser 02-11-2014 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thatguy (Post 10428462)
I'm still having trouble comprehending how you blow a 28 point lead in the second half...now this ? II'm done.

No shit...

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1260882176/hFD5D15E3/

GordonGekko 02-11-2014 09:08 PM

Hopefully in that other universe the Chiefs have been to the Superbowl a couple more times


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