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Direckshun 02-18-2014 12:18 PM

Teams starting to view McGill as safety.
 
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Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline

I'm told Keith McGill/Utah looks impressive in training & expecting a great result at combine; most also feel he plays S not CB on Sunday's
Makes sense to me. I have been completely underwhelmed by McGill's tape.

6'3", 215, but really lacking in the intensity to mirror and hang with athletic WRs on the outside. Plus he looks slow.

Makes more sense doing basic scut work in the SS role.

Sandy Vagina 02-18-2014 12:56 PM

Yes... makes sense. Has some experience at S and looks better in zone, but is not that good of a tackler... that could be an issue He doesn't look to have the best hips or explosive burst to hang with many wideouts. He definitley has the size and length for S.

Saccopoo 02-18-2014 01:25 PM

He's not slow by any means. In Juco, where he was a First Team All-American, he was purportedly running in the mid-4.3's.

When he runs in the 4.4 range at the combine, the safety talk will cease.

The league is filling up with 6'4", 220 lb. receivers and, frankly, there aren't that many CB's available to cover those types of guys.

On the field, McGill is fast, huge and has good instincts.

Off the field McGill is a solid citizen, team leader and is playing for a family as he's already married with a daughter.

Now, he was a safety up until this past season, but his speed and athletic ability dictated a switch to the outside. It will be the same in the pros.

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Here's some highlights of his Juco time at safety:

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But I wouldn't worry too much about it Direckshun. He's going to be long gone before the Chiefs pick in the third. With the recent success of Seattles "big D-back" sets, his soon to be excellent Combine results, he won't be there after Round 2 or very early Round 3. Teams aren't going to pass over a potential Richard Sherman type player after this past season.

That being said, if he's there in the third, he'd look pretty darn good staying in Red as a free safety.

Direckshun 02-18-2014 01:31 PM

I completely agree he'll be gone on the 2nd day.

I just absolutely hate his game. He's got great length, but he looks damn near lackadaisical on the field.

But, I've been watching him as a corner. Maybe you're dead right and he'll make a better safety.

A single-high safety, though? You think he could man that spot that way we'd need him to?

Saccopoo 02-18-2014 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 10439361)
Yes... makes sense. Has some experience at S and looks better in zone, but is not that good of a tackler... that could be an issue He doesn't look to have the best hips or explosive burst to hang with many wideouts. He definitley has the size and length for S.

From the Senior Bowl:

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Utah cornerback Keith McGill started Senior Bowl week with an impressive Monday as he was one of the standouts from the morning weigh ins and then displayed impressive fluidity in coverage during practice. In press drills against the receivers, he sustains leverage through initial contact and uses his long arms to direct opponents at the line. During the team session, McGill was transitioning through off coverage well and showed impressive click and close ability to throws in front of him.

Direckshun 02-18-2014 01:34 PM

McGill just looks like Sean Smith 2.0 to me. Right down to the college he played for.

If/when the light is on, he does his job. But when the light's off, it's bombs away.

Saccopoo 02-18-2014 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10439450)
I completely agree he'll be gone on the 2nd day.

I just absolutely hate his game. He's got great length, but he looks damn near lackadaisical on the field.

But, I've been watching him as a corner. Maybe you're dead right and he'll make a better safety.

A single-high safety, though? You think he could man that spot that way we'd need him to?

Yeah.

And remember, this was his first time playing CB. He was initially at safety at Utah before he got injured in 2012. But his athletic ability really forced them to play him outside.

He's very long, has huge hands, has good burst and covers a lot of ground quickly. I think he'd be ideal for it actually.

Saccopoo 02-18-2014 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10439458)
McGill just looks like Sean Smith 2.0 to me. Right down to the college he played for.

If/when the light is on, he does his job. But when the light's off, it's bombs away.

I think that they are different players. Smith is a glider and tends to use his length to cover. Remember that he was basically playing press coverage for the first time this past season which is actually more to his game and I think he's got upside this next season.

McGill has a safety's mentality and was trying to make that switch to CB this past season. But he's a very good player with a tremendous amount of upside.

If you think McGill has problems in tackling, go watch HaHa Dix or Ty Zimmerman - two players I think are very good prospects, but they don't tackle any better (and I'd say worse) than McGill does.

Personally, I though McGill played pretty solid this past season, especially considering the position change.

The UCLA game he covers his man very well, plays the ball and keeps guys in front of him rather than trailing.

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I'm not sure what your seeing when you say he's lacadasical.

OldSchool 02-18-2014 03:05 PM

He has better tape than SJB does. Neither of them looked like they were particularly good players though; certainly not worth anything higher than a 3rd to me, and that's on potential alone.

planetdoc 03-06-2014 11:42 AM

I wonder if that is still the case after his official 4.51 forty at the combine

Mugsy 03-06-2014 02:44 PM

I agree Direckshun. The tape is really bad on this guy. I'm not really in love with any of the corners. I like Cockrell from Duke as a third day pick but that's really about it.

Direckshun 03-06-2014 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10470377)
I agree Direckshun. The tape is really bad on this guy. I'm not really in love with any of the corners. I like Cockrell from Duke as a third day pick but that's really about it.

Cockrell is a zone corner. He doesn't fit our scheme.

Mugsy 03-09-2014 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10470411)
Cockrell is a zone corner. He doesn't fit our scheme.

Flowers and Carr were zone corners and they transitioned to man successfully. Cockrell really excels at pressing receivers to. He'd be perfect at nickel back for KC if he could make the transition. He's worth taking a 4th or 5th round flyer imo. He reminds me of Walter Thurmond.

Saccopoo 03-09-2014 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10469860)
I wonder if that is still the case after his official 4.51 forty at the combine

Richard Sherman's 4.56 40 at the Combine say no.

McGill also put up a ridiculous 39" vertical and a 10'9" broad jump while being 6'3" and 215 lbs with 33 1/4" arms and 10 1/4" hands.

He's going to need to be coached up a bit for the CB position, but the intangibles are there in spades.

He's absolutely prototype for the new generation of CB's in the NFL.

Mugsy 03-09-2014 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10475638)
Richard Sherman's 4.56 40 at the Combine say no.

McGill also put up a ridiculous 39" vertical and a 10'9" broad jump while being 6'3" and 215 lbs with 33 1/4" arms and 10 1/4" hands.

He's going to need to be coached up a bit for the CB position, but the intangibles are there in spades.

He's absolutely prototype for the new generation of CB's in the NFL.

The tape is bad though man. He's pretty soft out there. I'm a tape guy I guess. I don't care nearly as much about the measurable or the combine.


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