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RunKC 01-04-2015 09:36 PM

Dorsey using comp picks to gain edge in draft
 
http://archive.greenbaypressgazette....ensatory-picks

Packers employed this strategy for years and it's paid off bigtime. They've let big talents go in order to gain comp picks without overpaying.

With their comp picks, they've recently acquired solid talents such as Mike Daniel, Davon House, Josh Sitton and this year Richard Rodgers.
They've also drafted Matt Hasselbeck and Marco Rivera in the past using comp picks.

Love this strategy. Having 4 picks in the top 100 gives you one extra chance to hit on a player, or use a 3rd or 4th to move up to get a player you like without losing value.
The best drafting teams don't even have that great of a positive draft ratio. More picks you have the better statically chance to hit.

Dorsey drafted Knile Davis with our 3rd rd comp pick in 2013. I expect more to come via this strategy.
Probably get a 3rd for Tamba next season.

kccrow 01-04-2015 10:02 PM

Can't get a 3rd for Tamba if you cut him. They have to be lost as free agents. Also a big reason you don't try to sign a bunch of free agents if you've lost some quality ones, because it could nullify the comps. :D

The Franchise 01-05-2015 10:15 AM

You should understand how comp picks work before you go talking about them.

B_Ambuehl 01-05-2015 10:41 AM

Over time if you keep exchanging 1st round talent (what it takes to get a 3rd round comp pick) for 4th round talent (what a 3rd round comp pick really is), you get worse, not better. AJ smith used to go on and on in S.D. about his comp picks and he got lucky a few yrs but over a several year span he let enough talent walk to get him run outta town. If a football team is actively talking about comp picks Id take that as a bullshit excuse to justify not spending money they should spend.

jd1020 01-05-2015 10:52 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Dolphins interested in trading a 3rd for Albert and Dorsey held out for a 2nd which never came? So now he'll potentially get a 3rd round comp pick, which is worse than any 3rd the Dolphins could have offered and can't be traded, but he gained an edge?

The Franchise 01-05-2015 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11244971)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Dolphins interested in trading a 3rd for Albert and Dorsey held out for a 2nd which never came? So now he'll potentially get a 3rd round comp pick, which is worse than any 3rd the Dolphins could have offered and can't be traded, but he gained an edge?

It's always best to let proven players go for cheaper, unknown players.

RunKC 01-05-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant (Post 11244980)
It's always best to let proven players go for cheaper, unknown players.

If you can draft.

Fisher has issues but Albert is a walking injury. 2 major injuries the last 2 seasons causing him to miss considerable time.
That's not worth the investment man

RunKC 01-05-2015 11:17 AM

And yes you are right about Tamba crow my bad. I meant to say Hudson.

But I want to keep him.

RealSNR 01-05-2015 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11245073)
If you can draft.

Fisher has issues but Albert is a walking injury. 2 major injuries the last 2 seasons causing him to miss considerable time.
That's not worth the investment man

One was a fluke injury and the other was the first time he missed more than two games because of his back, which didn't bother him at all in Miami.

Albert's injury history has always been WAAAAAY overblown around here. We could have made it work with him as our LT. Fisher wasn't necessary.

The Franchise 01-05-2015 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11245596)
One was a fluke injury and the other was the first time he missed more than two games because of his back, which didn't bother him at all in Miami.

Albert's injury history has always been WAAAAAY overblown around here. We could have made it work with him as our LT. Fisher wasn't necessary.

What Dorsey should have done was re-sign Albert and give Bowe the franchise tag.

RunKC 01-05-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11245596)
One was a fluke injury and the other was the first time he missed more than two games because of his back, which didn't bother him at all in Miami.

Albert's injury history has always been WAAAAAY overblown around here. We could have made it work with him as our LT. Fisher wasn't necessary.

The guy has only played 32 games the last 3 years. He's missed at least 4 games in each of his last 3 seasons.

This place would have destroyed Dorsey for giving a broke dick $47 million.

Hoover 01-05-2015 05:05 PM

I thought it was the right move to franchise Albert.
I thought it was the right move to not take Miami's 3rd round pick for him.
Getting the comp pick for him this year lessens the pain, and I like comp picks.

I think the goal of any NFL team these days is to not get old. You get old by paying free agents big money, or resigning players who are approaching 30 big contracts. I don't think we should automatically try and get comp picks by watching our young talent leave. We must keep players like Hudson and Houston, they are just entering their prime. That said, its stupid to break the bank on Albert who's already 30 or guys like Asamoah who are nothing more than adequate at their positions.

jd1020 01-05-2015 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 11245929)
I thought it was the right move to franchise Albert.
I thought it was the right move to not take Miami's 3rd round pick for him.
Getting the comp pick for him this year lessens the pain, and I like comp picks.

I think the goal of any NFL team these days is to not get old. You get old by paying free agents big money, or resigning players who are approaching 30 big contracts. I don't think we should automatically try and get comp picks by watching our young talent leave. We must keep players like Hudson and Houston, they are just entering their prime. That said, its stupid to break the bank on Albert who's already 30 or guys like Asamoah who are nothing more than adequate at their positions.

How many of the Chiefs early-mid 2000's stud lineup of OL was in their low 20's?

2/5?

Albert was by far the best lineman this team had and a top LT in the league. The grand master plan for his replacement was a OT from the MAC... what a joke.

Hoover 01-05-2015 06:15 PM

The market for guards, centers, and RTs has gone crazy in recent years. It's all economics. Plus without Roaf, that line wouldn't have been what it was. He was a gift.

The Franchise 01-05-2015 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 11245929)
I thought it was the right move to franchise Albert.
I thought it was the right move to not take Miami's 3rd round pick for him.
Getting the comp pick for him this year lessens the pain, and I like comp picks.

I think the goal of any NFL team these days is to not get old. You get old by paying free agents big money, or resigning players who are approaching 30 big contracts. I don't think we should automatically try and get comp picks by watching our young talent leave. We must keep players like Hudson and Houston, they are just entering their prime. That said, its stupid to break the bank on Albert who's already 30 or guys like Asamoah who are nothing more than adequate at their positions.

How was it the right move to pass on Miami's 3rd rounder last year (in a WR deep draft) so that we could have a 3rd round comp pick this year? It's a lower pick and it's not tradeable. We could have used that pick last year.


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