I'll preface by saying that my original draft of this had Joe Tryon, DE, Washington at #31. Since the Chiefs blew up my original with the trade for Baltimore Ravens OT Orlando Brown, Jr., I had to go back to my think tank on a couple picks. After a down couple of years, here's hoping this year's version turns things around...
I want two offensive tackles, a quarterback, two pass rushers, two corners, and I'll figure the rest out. - Andy Reid
Turner is the type of long, explosive defensive end with the ability to transition inside/out that Spags seems to value and is a prototype LDE for a 4-3 team like KC.
Brugler -
STRENGTHS: Super-long athlete with a humongous wingspan…his lateral slide is both quick and long, allowing him to sidestep blocks…improved ankle/body flexibility
as a senior to threaten the corner…added new pass rush tricks on each game tape, including a speed chop and club-rip…uses his physical hands to knock away the
punch/hands of blockers…overwhelms blockers with his bull rush, using his length and violent hands to create movement at contact…above-average pursuit speed
and doesn’t loaf, chasing down and making tackles he has no business making…played 4i defensive end when he arrived at Houston, which helped him develop his
physicality and toughness…offers inside/outside experience…added 50-plus pounds since high school…senior captain…productive senior year with 10.5 tackles for
loss and 5.0 sacks in only five games.
WEAKNESSES: High cut and rushes with tall pad level…struggles to play underneath blockers and leverage will always be a constant battle…counter rush instincts are
undeveloped…physical hands and long arms, but doesn’t consistently separate from his target…rushes with effort and aggressiveness, but lacks a consistent game
plan and the word “polished” wouldn’t be used to describe his rush moves…has battled through numerous injuries the last five years, including a torn ACL
(September 2016) as a senior in high school; suffered a foot injury as a sophomore (November 2018), requiring season-ending surgery; played through multiple
broken fingers in 2019; missed three games as a senior (November 2020) due to knee, hand and COVID issues.
SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Houston, Turner lined up at the Bandit edge rusher position (field side) in defensive coordinator Doug Belk’s scheme, standing up
and rushing with his hand on the ground. He lined up at 4i defensive end (inside the offensive tackle) his first two seasons under the previous coaching staff before
moving back outside to his more natural edge rusher role in 2019, totaling 18.5 tackles for loss and 9.0 sacks over 17 games the last two years. Turner is among the
best effort players in this draft class, using his long strides and speed to chase down ball carriers. He is a high-cut rusher and battles balance issues vs. leveraged
power, but he does a great job keeping his hands and feet in lock step to attack and work off blocks. Overall, Turner needs to cultivate his pass rush sequence, but
he has outstanding length, foot quickness and competitive energy. He projects as an eventual NFL starter with inside/outside versatility.
Adebo is a long, physical corner with the athleticism to match receivers early in routes and run with them downfield and he has plus ball skills, something Veach values.
Brugler -
STRENGTHS: Tall, long, physical athlete and matches up well vs. size…remarkable ball production (34 passes defended in 22 career games), using his length to
obstruct the catch-point…high school wide receiver and plays with the ball skills that NFL teams drool over…lacks twitch, but quick-footed with the body control to
settle, redirect and run routes for receivers…plays with a decisive reactor…reads breaks to click-and-close and drive on plays…not shy using his hands and grip
strength to reroute receivers off the line…aggressive downhill tackler and won’t shy from contact…only two years of college experience, but led the team in passes
defended and interceptions both seasons.
WEAKNESSES: Upright in his stance/pedal…lower body stiffness hampers his transition skills, giving up separation vs. sudden receivers…quick to bite and will misread
routes, often arriving too early or leaving himself vulnerable vs. double-moves…inconsistent jam technique in press-man…inconsistent strike zone as a run defender
(11 missed tackles over his two seasons)…struggles to drop his hips and stay balanced as a tackler, leading to poor misses…more dropped interceptions than you want
to see (three drops on the tapes studied)…guilty of coasting at times in coverages and appeared to fatigue vs. up-tempo offenses…gave up more plays in 2019 (69.7%
completions, three touchdowns) compared to 2018 (61.8% completions, one touchdown)…suffered a season-ending injury (November 2019) as a sophomore.
SUMMARY: A two-year starter at Stanford, Adebo was the left cornerback in defensive coordinator Lance Anderson’s scheme, lining up primarily outside in both man
and zone. He put himself on the NFL radar with an All-American redshirt freshman season, but his sophomore year fell short of expectations and he chose not to play
in 2020, creating a challenging evaluation for NFL teams. Adebo stays attached to routes once he is connected, displaying the length and ball-tracking ability to consistently disrupt the catch point (34 passes defended, eight interceptions in 22 games). While he competes with confidence and toughness, negative plays usually
result from inconsistent discipline and body fundamentals. Overall, Adebo is a leggy, upright athlete prone to false steps, but his size, foot agility and instinctive ball
skills are traits worth gambling on. He projects best as a press-man corner who can also play in a Cover 3 scheme.
Round 4 #144 | LB Tony Fields II, West Virginia (6'0" 222)
Fields is a run and chase weakside linebacker with good coverage abilities on TEs and RBs out of the backfield and in zone that this team sorely lacks, just never confuse him with a run thumper.
Brugler -
STRENGTHS: Rangy athlete with the speed to make plays at either sideline…quick to process and key versus the run…uses his agility to slither around blocks and find
the ball carrier…relies on timing and physicality to strike and shed versus blockers…calms his feet well in space to break down as a tackler…flexible hips and lower
body to cleanly change directions…very active in zone coverage, sensing throwing lanes and forcing quarterbacks to go elsewhere…quickly established himself as a
team leader and tone-setter once he arrived at West Virginia, according to the coaches…durable and tough, playing through minor injuries and making 45 career
starts…highly productive with at least 88 tackles in each of his four collegiate seasons.
WEAKNESSES: Smallish frame and doesn’t have prototypical length or growth potential…struggles to leverage gaps versus blockers and can be eaten up near the line
of scrimmage…needs to stay disciplined with his run fits and hold contain…inconsistent finishing strength when his tackling technique isn’t perfect…needs to avoid
the mental mistakes (two targeting fouls and a horse collar penalty on three of the 2020 tapes studied)…it is tough for him to work off contact mid-pursuit…will
occasionally get too relaxed with his coverage reps, finding himself lost in space.
SUMMARY: A one-year starter at West Virginia, Fields lined up as the middle linebacker in the Mountaineers' 3-3-5 base scheme, previously lining up as a weakside
linebacker during his three seasons in Arizona. He was one of the most impactful free-agent signings in college football last offseason, making all the defensive sets
and calls for the Mountaineers and averaging 9.8 tackles per game as a senior. With his natural feel for the game, Fields is quick to diagnose and go with the
athleticism and toughness to make plays in the backfield or downfield. A better run-around defender than take-on player, it can be tough for him to operate near the
line of scrimmage because of his lack of size. Overall, Fields can be too easily engulfed when he isn’t a step ahead of the play, but he is an instinctive player with
above-average play speed to be a rangy run-and-hit weakside linebacker in the NFL.
Round 5 #175 | WR Austin Watkins, UAB (6'2" 207)
Watkins is an outside "X" type of receiver with enough athletic ability to keep defenders honest and simply catches the football when it's thrown his way, which is all this offense really needs from the position.
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STRENGTHS: Good-sized target…excellent focus and reliable mitts at the catch point, making drops rare…chain-moving machine with 75.8% of his college receptions
resulting in a first down or touchdown…adjusts well to off-target throws…strong to the football with NFL-level physicality before and after the catch…flashes the body
strength to out-muscle defenders and make it a chore on defenders to finish him to the ground…coordinated settle-and-snap in/out of his route breaks…sells his
patterns with hesitation and head bobs…not shy getting involved as a blocker, removing corners from their feet…his coaches say he has natural leadership traits and
pushes himself on and off the field…led UAB in receiving each of the last two seasons.
WEAKNESSES: Plays quick, but not shifty…flashes some stiffness in his lower body, hindering his ability to make defenders miss…slightly duck-footed, which especially
shows in his routes…wasn’t a home run hitter in college with only two receptions of 50-plus yards at UAB…bad habit of unnecessarily jumping at the catch point,
making catches more difficult than needed…very strong-handed, but will rely on his body at times to corral passes…guilty of some lazy tendencies with his route
work…combined for only 6 catches and 66 yards against the two Power 5 opponents (Tennessee, Miami) in his career.
SUMMARY: A two-year starter at UAB, Watkins was the left wide receiver in offensive coordinator Bryant Vincent’s offense, playing primarily on the outside. After
two seasons at the JUCO level, he grew into the Blazers’ top target and finished his career seventh in school history in receiving yards (1,642), becoming just the third
UAB receiver to reach 1,000 receiving yards in a season. Watkins is strong in contested situations and has outstanding hands, committing only two drops on 101
catchable targets the past two seasons. He is still learning how to play the position and should become more and more efficient with his reads and route movements.
Overall, Watkins has an average athletic profile by NFL standards for the position, but his trustworthy ball skills and physical presence should make him a chainmoving
possession target at the next level.
Round 5 #181 | OL Larry Borom, Missouri (6'5" 322)
Borom is a versatile, big-bodied lineman with good fundamental athleticism, a mean streak, and solid pass protection that projects well inside to either guard spot.
Brugler -
STRENGTHS: Massive body type with proportionate girth…wide-framed in pass pro with body coordination to keep his feet underneath him…adequate mobility and
on-the-move balance for his size…promising core and anchor strength to absorb contact…will lose the leverage game, but with his body strength, it didn’t seem to
matter…physical hands and looks to meet rushers before they get to him…displays the upper body torque to turn defenders from the hole…powerful pusher in the
run game, escorting bodies where he wants…well-mannered and generally liked within the program…position versatility and experience, seeing starts at left tackle,
right tackle and left guard at Missouri.
WEAKNESSES: Lacks ideal length and long-armed rushers can get into his frame…heavy-footed and will lose races to the corner…struggles with his redirect and needs
to keep his weight centered…tall pad level and quickly goes from a knee-bender to a waist-bender mid-play…struggles with gap shooters…inconsistent punch
timing…scattershot with his hand placement, leading to holding calls…needs to improve his mechanics as a run blocker…his conditioning and weight control will be
crucial in the NFL…missed two games as a junior due to a lower leg injury (October 2020) and struggled in the second half of the season.
SUMMARY: A two-year starter at Missouri, Borom was the right tackle in head coach Eliah Drinkwitz’s heavy-motion, up-tempo pro-style offense. Although he wasn’t
highly recruited out of Detroit, he developed into a fixture at right tackle for the Tigers (only one sack allowed in 2020), although his first-half tape from 2020 was
much better than his second half. Borom is a massive blocker with the movement patterns and mean streak to occupy defenders in both pass pro and the run game.
But to help mask his lack of ideal range and flexibility, he must improve the timing and placement. Overall, Borom is a messy mauler and it doesn’t always look pretty, but his hands are heavy and his anchor is strong, showing enough athleticism to hold up in space and develop into a sixth-offensive lineman for an NFL
squad.
Doaks is a big runner with good quickness and speed that shows solid vision, outstanding pass protection, and good receiving skills to be a do-it-all rotational piece.
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SUMMARY: Gerrid Doaks was a two-year starting running back at Indianapolis’ Lawrence Central, rushing for 1,705 yards as a senior and 2,953 yards in his career. A
three-star recruit, he shared Cincinnati’s backfield duties as a redshirt freshman and led the team in rushing but missed 2018 with a sports hernia injury. After
spending 2019 behind Mike Boone, Doaks regained the starting role as a senior and again led the team in rushing, drawing praise from the coaches for his positivity
and drive through adversity. He fills out his uniform well and runs stout through contact while also showing better quickness than most backs his size. Doaks has anydown
ability with his execution in the screen game (zero drops in 2020). He has tread left on his tires with only 331 career carries, but he missed time each of the last
three seasons due to injury. Overall, Doaks isn’t the most creative runner, but he is a pro-ready back with his body type, contact balance and pass blocking skills.
Roster
QB: P. Mahomes, C. Henne
FB: M. Burton
RB: C. Edwards-Helaire, D. Williams, G. Doaks
WR: T. Hill, D. Robinson, M. Hardman, B. Pringle, A. Calloway, A. Watkins
TE: T. Kelce, N. Keizer, B. Bell
LT: O. Brown, M. Rankin, P. Tega Wanogho
LG: J. Thuney, Y. Durant
OC: A. Blythe, N. Allegretti
RG: L. Duvernay-Tardif, K. Long, L. Borom
RT: M. Remmers, L. Niang
DE: F. Clark, M. Danna
DT: C. Jones, T. Wharton
DT: D. Nnadi, J. Reed, K. Saunders
DE: P. Turner, T. Charlton
SLB: W. Gay, D. Harris
ILB: A. Hitchens, E. Smith
WLB: T. Fields, B. Niemann, D. O'Daniel
CB: C. Ward, L. Sneed, P. Abedo, R. Fenton, T. Keyes, D. Baker
S: T. Mathieu, J. Thornhill, D. Sorensen, A. Watts, R. Clemons
K: Butker
P: Townsend
LS: Winchester
duncan_idaho
04-24-2021 07:07 AM
Looks pretty good to me, crow.
kccrow
04-24-2021 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho
(Post 15642916)
Looks pretty good to me, crow.
Thanks man. I really wanted to put Dyami Brown there in 2 but I just don't think he's there that late, and jumping up to where I think we'd need to be to get him is probably too costly. We'll have to see where it shakes out. I originally had a move that went for it, but losing those 3-4-5 picks took alot of ammo out of the equation. I had used a future 3rd and this year's third in a big move up to 39 to get Brown to go with Tryon at 31, then trading two 4th's and a 5th to move up to the top of 4 for Ambry Thomas at CB. :D
staylor26
04-24-2021 11:20 AM
Love it. I’m all in on Turner in the 2nd now too. Like I said in the “who would you bet on the Chiefs taking?” thread, I changed my pick from Forsythe to Turner following the Brown trade.
It just makes too much sense with 2 picks in that range now.
kccrow
04-24-2021 01:45 PM
As a caveat, I'd likely jizz all over myself if my guys fell in Tryon and Brown and those were the picks. I have to be as realistic as my eyeballs tell me and I think neither, much less one of the two falls. I'd also be excited if Humphrey fell and he was one of them, but like Tryon and Brown, I feel he's top 40 material, and probably doesn't make it past Miami.
BryanBusby
04-24-2021 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 15643088)
Love it. I’m all in on Turner in the 2nd now too. Like I said in the “who would you bet on the Chiefs taking?” thread, I changed my pick from Forsythe to Turner following the Brown trade.
It just makes too much sense with 2 picks in that range now.
I like Turner but I'm feeling he comes off the board somewhere in the 40's
Chris Meck
04-24-2021 02:17 PM
There's just no way 80 guys can all go in the top 40.
Some will fall, and we'll be surprised.
kccrow
04-24-2021 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck
(Post 15643347)
There's just no way 80 guys can all go in the top 40.
Some will fall, and we'll be surprised.
Certainly.
For me, if I'm looking at some of these guys and how I personally rank their floor it's Brown as 6th best WR, Tryon as 5th best ER but fits both schemes and Humphrey as 2nd best OC.
Now, I could be completely off base.
I certainly think Turner is there, I haven't seen many boards with him even rated in the 2nd, much less high 2nd, and I think he's a lesser version of Basham.
BryanBusby
04-24-2021 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Meck
(Post 15643347)
There's just no way 80 guys can all go in the top 40.
Some will fall, and we'll be surprised.
Well uh yeah, but it still doesn't change my thought that Turner will go early. Can play in any system and is a player on the rise and is 100% the kind of player that Bill Belichick would draft.
I'd be all for it if he made it to us.
Chris Meck
04-24-2021 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby
(Post 15643389)
Well uh yeah, but it still doesn't change my thought that Turner will go early. Can play in any system and is a player on the rise and is 100% the kind of player that Bill Belichick would draft.
I'd be all for it if he made it to us.
I'm just saying that due to the weird year of plague and opt-outs, no seasons, half-seasons, etc. that projections are all over the place.
If you go do a mock at PFN, and then Draftnetwork, you'll see player rankings several rounds apart. I'm seeing it in "expert mocks" too.
Joe Tryon's either a late first rounder or a late third rounder. Or somewhere in between, for example.
I've seen Turner anywhere from early second to late fourth.
Dyami Brown late first to later third.
It's nuts.
Chris Meck
04-24-2021 05:51 PM
I will say this-it would appear that if you don't get an edge or a WR in the second, that there isn't much left by the late fourth at all but serious projects.
Safety is a position where a Sorensen replacement like Deablo or Jacoby Stevens can be had at that late fourth area.
And there are some interesting CB prospects that will go late due to playing at smaller schools like Appalachian State.
Or, I could be totally wrong, and Jacoby Stevens goes at the top of the second.
Who the **** knows?
But I like Dyami Brown or Amon-Ra St. Brown in the second.
I like Turner, Perkins, or Tryon in the second too.
Some combination of that should be available.
The Franchise
04-24-2021 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck
(Post 15643528)
I will say this-it would appear that if you don't get an edge or a WR in the second, that there isn't much left by the late fourth at all but serious projects.
Safety is a position where a Sorensen replacement like Deablo or Jacoby Stevens can be had at that late fourth area.
And there are some interesting CB prospects that will go late due to playing at smaller schools like Appalachian State.
Or, I could be totally wrong, and Jacoby Stevens goes at the top of the second.
Who the **** knows?
But I like Dyami Brown or Amon-Ra St. Brown in the second.
I like Turner, Perkins, or Tryon in the second too.
Some combination of that should be available.
Yeah it would be nice to get a LB in the 2nd but I think you can still get one later one who can help.
Chris Meck
04-24-2021 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise
(Post 15643534)
Yeah it would be nice to get a LB in the 2nd but I think you can still get one later one who can help.
It'd be nice, but when is he going to play?
I'd like to upgrade Hitchens too, but he's literally the QB of the defense, he lines everybody up. No rookie is going to take that spot.
And Gay we haven't given a chance yet, but I love the athleticism.
And that's 70% of the LB snaps right there.
BryanBusby
04-24-2021 06:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Meck
(Post 15643504)
I'm just saying that due to the weird year of plague and opt-outs, no seasons, half-seasons, etc. that projections are all over the place.
If you go do a mock at PFN, and then Draftnetwork, you'll see player rankings several rounds apart. I'm seeing it in "expert mocks" too.
Joe Tryon's either a late first rounder or a late third rounder. Or somewhere in between, for example.
I've seen Turner anywhere from early second to late fourth.
Dyami Brown late first to later third.
It's nuts.
I'm not going to debate that because there's nothing to debate there IMO.
I'm just projecting off his growth, how he fits with teams and how he did the last year.
I'd be surprised if a lot of teams didn't like him. Especially teams that run a 3-4. This class sucks for 5's.
Tribal Warfare
04-25-2021 02:59 AM
Josh Imatorbhebhe is a SPARQ monster who could be had in the 5th or 6th round
