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Tight End
I think everyone agrees the biggest priorities for the off season are DL, T, and WR in some order so just taking the conversation in a slightly different direction.
The Chiefs have played a lot of 12 and 13 personnel this year, and it has generally been very effective. Next year its Fortson's last cheap year, Gray will be going into year 3. How would you feel if the Chiefs took a tight end in the 1st or 2nd round? Are there any tight end prospects you like in the top half of the draft? What about free agents? |
**** no. This team has bigger needs than another TE.
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nah, we've got THREE.
None of them are Kelce, but nobody you could draft will be either. It's probably our most stacked position. |
I loved what I saw from Matt Bushman in preseason. Big guy who runs a 4.53 40. He could be a nice weapon next year
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Do you really think Kelce/Fortson/Gray is more of a stacked group than JJSS/MVS/Toney/Hardman/Moore/Watson? Just to be clear, I would definitely lose my shit if they drafted a 1st round TE, but maybe they do need to think investing in another one somewhere in the coming draft. |
I've been on board grabbing one with one of our two 4ths. Probably would have considered the 3rd before they traded for Toney.
I'm not overly enamored with Gray. He's a functional 2nd TE but would you trust him to ever truly take over for Kelce? I don't. He's kind of a complimentary H-back type. The same goes for Fortson. Fortson has a role, but he's not built to be an every-down TE. He's mostly a big WR that works in goal-line situations well and the occasional wheel. If GOD FORBID, Kelce ever got knicked, we'd be gasping for air. I'm not saying that you try to stack the position, but another modest investment on a true TE would probably be smart. There are a few nice options out there this year IMO. As for Bushman, he was released with an injury designation so I'm thinking that's a moot point. |
I brought him up in another thread. And I thought it was too much of a luxury then, and even more so after watching the bengals run it down our throats. But Darnell Washington is a freak. And he would be amazing with us. Especially as a blocker
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I'm similarly indifferent on Gray. I thought even a 5th was generous and while he's probably justified that he's not been much more imo. He really hasn't got the juice or wiggle that I think they anticipated. Probably become a slightly better blocker though, but the idea our TE room is set seems a bit optimistic. |
I wouldn’t do this but Darnell Washington is intriguing to me, especially if we draft a LT replacement for OBJ. This would never happen bc we are a pass first team and Darnell probably fits someone like the titans better. Our line plus TE would be huge and have a big advantage in run blocking and short yardage. Musgrave in the 4th is interesting.
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Ha… just saw that cbs mocked Darnell to us
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...ears-over/amp/ Round 1 - Pick 1 Bryce Young QB ALABAMA • JR • 6'0" / 194 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Houston PROSPECT RNK 2nd POSITION RNK 1st Bryce Young might be historically undersized by successful NFL QB standards, but we don't care. He's been that good for Alabama, dragging that team to victory just about every week. And he's doing it with none of the playmakers who made life so much easier for Tua Tagovailoa and Mac Jones in previous years. Round 1 - Pick 2 Jalen Carter DL GEORGIA • JR • 6'3" / 300 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Chicago PROSPECT RNK 3rd POSITION RNK 1st The Bears appear to be a team headed in the right direction, in large part because they have found their franchise QB in Justin Fields. But there's a lot of work to do on the other side of the ball after moving on from Robert Quinn and Roquan Smith. Both Jalen Carter and Will Anderson Jr. could be options here, and both are layup selections. From Denver Broncos Round 1 - Pick 3 Will Anderson Jr. EDGE ALABAMA • JR • 6'4" / 243 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Seattle PROSPECT RNK 1st POSITION RNK 1st The Geno Smith "I didn't write back" storyline is one of the best of the 2022 season, but it shouldn't obscure the fact that Seattle's defense is a hot mess. And thanks to the Broncos trade, they'll be able to address that side of the ball very early in the draft. Whether it's Jalen Carter or Will Anderson Jr., they'll be arguably the best player on Seattle's defense the moment they step on the field. Round 1 - Pick 4 Myles Murphy DL CLEMSON • JR • 6'5" / 275 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Arizona PROSPECT RNK 5th POSITION RNK 2nd Murphy won't be 21 until next spring and while we'd like to see him play with more consistency ... he won't be 21 until next spring. On top of that, when he's on, he's hard to stop, which makes him such an interesting prospect. Round 1 - Pick 5 Will Levis QB KENTUCKY • SR • 6'3" / 232 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Indianapolis PROSPECT RNK 10th POSITION RNK 1st Since Andrew Luck's retirement, the Colts have had little success turning to QBs nearing the end of their careers, and it's safe to assume that owner Jim Irsay will be looking for the team's next face of the franchise. Levis, who definitely looks the part, has been plagued by injuries and poor play all season. That said, NFL teams love how he projects to the next level but he'll be a controversial talking point for the next six months. Round 1 - Pick 6 Tyree Wilson EDGE TEXAS TECH • SR • 6'6" / 275 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Atlanta PROSPECT RNK 6th POSITION RNK 3rd Wilson is a high-motor player who consistently finds his way into the backfield. He's still raw but the physical tools are there and when he puts it all together, he is going to be a problem. From Los Angeles Rams Round 1 - Pick 7 Kelee Ringo CB GEORGIA • SOPH • 6'2" / 210 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Detroit PROSPECT RNK 18th POSITION RNK 3rd The Georgia-to-first-round pipeline continues. A year after five Bulldogs went in Round 1, expect a handful this time around too. Ringo is a long, physical corner who has matched up against some of the best players in the country. Round 1 - Pick 8 C.J. Stroud QB OHIO STATE • JR • 6'3" / 218 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Carolina PROSPECT RNK 4th POSITION RNK 2nd The Panthers have cycled through three QBs this season, and here's the only certainty: the '23 starter currently isn't on the roster. There's a 100% chance owner David Tepper finally addresses the position this offseason, and if C.J. Stroud is available, it's easy to imagine him being the pick. Round 1 - Pick 9 Peter Skoronski OT NORTHWESTERN • JR • 6'4" / 315 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Las Vegas PROSPECT RNK 17th POSITION RNK 2nd Skoronski is solid and consistent, which are two of the best things you can say about an offensive lineman. The biggest issue he'll face during the pre-draft process will be arm length and whether his NFL future is at tackle or guard. We think he can play tackle but wherever he ends up, he'll make the Raiders offensive line better. From New Orleans Saints Round 1 - Pick 10 Paris Johnson Jr. OT OHIO STATE • JR • 6'6" / 310 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Philadelphia PROSPECT RNK 7th POSITION RNK 1st Paris Johnson, who plays left tackle for the Buckeyes this season, also has experience on the interior; either way, he is a Day 1 starter, which in Philly could be at guard early in his career before moving to tackle if and when Lane Johnson decides to hang them up. From Cleveland Browns Round 1 - Pick 11 Quentin Johnston WR TCU • JR • 6'4" / 215 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Houston PROSPECT RNK 23rd POSITION RNK 2nd Johnston's an above-the-rim playmaker whose athleticism and contested-catch abilities make him WR1 at this point in the proceedings. The Texans drafted their QB of the future first overall and now they give him an explosive playmaker. Round 1 - Pick 12 O'Cyrus Torrence OL FLORIDA • JR • 6'5" / 347 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Seattle PROSPECT RNK 24th POSITION RNK 4th Torrence transferred from Louisiana and didn't miss a beat. He's been dominant for Florida and is a plug-and-play player at the next level. Round 1 - Pick 13 Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR OHIO STATE • JR • 6'1" / 200 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Tennessee PROSPECT RNK 9th POSITION RNK 1st Smith-Njigba barely saw the field this season because of injuries but he's still one of the top wideouts in the class. The Titans offense has been stagnant at times and adding a downfield threat will be at the top of the off-season to-do list. Round 1 - Pick 14 Joey Porter Jr. CB PENN STATE • JR • 6'2" / 194 LBS PROJECTED TEAM New England PROSPECT RNK 30th POSITION RNK 5th Porter is the prototypical big, physical cornerback who looks like he belongs in the NFL. He can sometimes get a little too handsy downfield, but he checks many of the boxes of what teams look for when drafting DBs. Round 1 - Pick 15 Anthony Richardson QB FLORIDA • SOPH • 6'4" / 232 LBS PROJECTED TEAM N.Y. Jets PROSPECT RNK 19th POSITION RNK 4th Typically, NFL teams give QBs taken in the first round three years to prove themselves. It sure feels like Zach Wilson, who was benched for Chris Streveler on Thursday, may not be long for the Jets, no matter what coach Robert Saleh might say publicly. And if that is, in fact, the case, Richardson would be worth considering here. He is one of the most exciting prospects in this class. Yes, he's short on experience, but his physical tools are rare. Round 1 - Pick 16 Christian Gonzalez CB OREGON • SOPH • 6'2" / 201 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Pittsburgh PROSPECT RNK 22nd POSITION RNK 1st Gonzalez, a Colorado transfer, is a big-time athlete who is still growing into the position. He has the size, strength and speed to line up against NFL wide receivers; he just needs to improve in run support. Round 1 - Pick 17 Jordan Addison WR USC • JR • 6'0" / 175 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Green Bay PROSPECT RNK 45th POSITION RNK 7th The Packers have neglected the wide receiver position for years -- including the 2020 class, one of the deepest in draft history -- so why not finally give Aaron Rodgers a pass catcher taken in Round 1? Addison isn't a big target, but he's one of the most dynamic players in the country who can line up anywhere. Round 1 - Pick 18 Jared Verse EDGE FLORIDA STATE • SOPH • 6'4" / 248 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Detroit PROSPECT RNK 11th POSITION RNK 2nd Verse, an Albany transfer, has been electric in '22, even when overcoming a knee injury. At full health, he's a real problem, and the Lions could bookend him with last year's first-rounder, Aidan Hutchinson. Round 1 - Pick 19 Brian Branch CB ALABAMA • JR • 6'0" / 193 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Jacksonville PROSPECT RNK 16th POSITION RNK 2nd Branch isn't the first name you hear about when the conversation turns to Alabama's defense, but maybe he should be. He's a sure tackler, can blitz off the edge, and is solid in coverage, and if Nick Saban trusts him, that's all you need to know about his NFL prospects. Round 1 - Pick 20 Bijan Robinson RB TEXAS • JR • 6'0" / 220 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Tampa Bay PROSPECT RNK 25th POSITION RNK 3rd The Bucs could target a QB here but have other needs to address. RB isn't a huge priority with Rachaad White's emergence, but the team could move on from Leonard Fournette and plug in Robinson, who has been dominant for the Longhorns this season. Round 1 - Pick 21 Devon Witherspoon CB ILLINOIS • JR • 6'0" / 180 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Washington PROSPECT RNK 35th POSITION RNK 7th Witherspoon had a great season for the Illini, and while there will be questions about his slight frame, you wouldn't know it to watch him play. Round 1 - Pick 23 Michael Mayer TE NOTRE DAME • JR • 6'4" / 265 LBS PROJECTED TEAM N.Y. Giants PROSPECT RNK 12th POSITION RNK 2nd Mayer is more Gronk than Kelce but that's not a bad thing. And in New York, he'll get plenty of opportunities -- presumably, with Daniel Jones -- in part because there are only two tight ends currently on the roster and one is set to hit free agency after the season. Round 1 - Pick 24 Cam Smith CB SOUTH CAROLINA • JR • 6'0" / 188 LBS PROJECTED TEAM L.A. Chargers PROSPECT RNK 8th POSITION RNK 1st The Chargers defense has been inconsistent this season, in part due to injury, but also because there's a need to upgrade the secondary. Smith is a first-round talent who can be a Day 1 contributor. Round 1 - Pick 25 Nolan Smith EDGE GEORGIA • SR • 6'3" / 235 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Baltimore PROSPECT RNK 13th POSITION RNK 3rd Smith is listed at just 235 pounds so he'll need to add weight, but he's also scratching the surface on what he'll be able to do at the next level. He suffered a torn pec in November and his season is over, but that shouldn't affect his NFL future. From San Francisco 49ers Round 1 - Pick 26 Drew Sanders EDGE ARKANSAS • JR • 6'5" / 233 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Denver PROSPECT RNK 29th POSITION RNK 4th Sanders is a former five-star who transferred from Alabama after the 2021 season and all he's done is show out for the Razorbacks. He was an edge rusher for the Crimson Tide but he lines up all over the defense for Arkansas and he's been a one-man wrecking crew when he's on the field. Round 1 - Pick 27 Jalin Hyatt WR TENNESSEE • JR • 6'0" / 185 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Dallas PROSPECT RNK 21st POSITION RNK 3rd Hyatt wasn't in the first-round conversation heading into the season but he's a great example of a player taking advantage of his opportunities, thanks in large part to Hendon Hooker's Heisman Trophy campaign. Hyatt is a bona fide deep threat who consistently stacks defensive backs who have been helpless to do much about it all season. Round 1 - Pick 28 Broderick Jones OT GEORGIA • SOPH • 6'4" / 310 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Cincinnati PROSPECT RNK 56th POSITION RNK 6th Jones is coming off a strong '22 campaign for the Bulldogs, where he has faced some of the best defensive players in the country every day at practice for the last two years. Round 1 - Pick 29 Darnell Washington TE GEORGIA • JR • 6'7" / 270 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Kansas City PROSPECT RNK 27th POSITION RNK 2nd Arik Gilbert was the Georgia tight end to watch coming into the season, but it's been Washington who has gotten scouts' attention. He's listed at 6-7, 265 pounds (he actually plays bigger than that), and while he's growing into his role as a receiver, he's essentially another offensive tackle when he's inline. Basically, he'd serve two roles in Kansas City: receiver in a high-powered offense and an extra blocker. Round 1 - Pick 30 Anton Harrison OT OKLAHOMA • JR • 6'5" / 315 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Minnesota PROSPECT RNK 26th POSITION RNK 4th There was some thought that Harrison might return to Oklahoma for an NIL deal that was too good to pass up, but he's instead opted for the NFL. He's one of the top tackles in the class, and now the question is whether he finds his way into Round 1 or goes early on Day 2. Round 1 - Pick 31 Antonio Johnson S TEXAS A&M • JR • 6'3" / 195 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Buffalo PROSPECT RNK 14th POSITION RNK 1st Johnson flies around the field like he's shot out of a cannon, looks to run through the ball carrier at the line of scrimmage, and is a wrap-up tackler in space. He can line up in deep center field or near the line of scrimmage, and that versatility makes him one of the best defensive backs in this class. Round 1 - Pick 32 Jahmyr Gibbs RB ALABAMA • JR • 5'11" / 200 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Philadelphia PROSPECT RNK 39th POSITION RNK 7th The Eagles haven't taken a RB in the first round since 1986 (!) but we said the same thing about Andy Reid and RBs right until the moment he selected Clyde Edwards-Helaire a few years ago. And while CEH may not be the best example of why Philly might consider a back here, Gibbs has drawn comparisons to Dalvin Cook and Alvin Kamara as both a runner and a receiver. He would essentially be yet another weapon for Jalen Hurts in this offense. |
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I keep doing the PFN mocks and Mayer AND Kincaid are both available on some of these. I know we have bigger needs, but at some point it becomes a value discussion.
Do we want TE1, or WR4-5, OT-5, DT-4/5 Edge-6, CB-4/5? I guess I’m asking, how would you feel if we pulled the trigger one Veach’s top TE? |
If you're going to go TE in the first, then I would rather see them take Mayer. You can leave him in as a traditional TE and take that off of Kelce's plate. Then after Kelce retires, you just need to find someone who can basically be our X receiver like Kelce has been.
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