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ntexascardfan 01-29-2024 10:32 AM

Has postseason play changed your perspective on the draft?
 
Every single draft has us taking a WR in the first round. The more I sit in that thought, the more it feels reactionary.

The next year will be filled with trying to figure out which guys on rookie deals to extend or let go to free agency. Humphrey, Smith, Bolton, Gay, Sneed, and others who are all big contributors to the team.

I'm starting to think we aren't going WR in round 1 and I could us not taking a skill guy until the third round.

I could see us going DT in round one if we don't extend Jones. I could see us taking a guard in round two considering we could be in a place where we are needing to replace Humphrey or Smith after next season AND Thuney after 2025.

This feels like a draft where we restock for the longterm v. trying to fill an immediate pain point that hurt us during the regular season.

The Franchise 01-29-2024 10:35 AM

I've been saying for a little while now that I don't expect them to take a WR in the first.

OKchiefs 01-29-2024 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ntexascardfan (Post 17374571)
Every single draft has us taking a WR in the first round. The more I sit in that thought, the more it feels reactionary.

The next year will be filled with trying to figure out which guys on rookie deals to extend or let go to free agency. Humphrey, Smith, Bolton, Gay, Sneed, and others who are all big contributors to the team.

I'm starting to think we aren't going WR in round 1 and I could us not taking a skill guy until the third round.

I could see us going DT in round one if we don't extend Jones. I could see us taking a guard in round two considering we could be in a place where we are needing to replace Humphrey or Smith after next season AND Thuney after 2025.

This feels like a draft where we restock for the longterm v. trying to fill an immediate pain point that hurt us during the regular season.

Hasn't changed anything at all. Rice put up 100+ yards in the wildcard round and has been very solid the last 2 games (should have had a touchdown yesterday) but the catalyst on offense was Kelce with nearly 200 yards and 3 TDs the past 2 weeks. Take Kelce away and the offense just doesn't function without adequate replacements. Even yesterday the offense did next to nothing for the entire second half.

That being said, WR doesn't HAVE to be the pick in the 1st rd. But I don't see how you get out of the 2nd without a WR and feel good about the state of the receiver group. If they wait until the second I'd also suggest that they would need to trade up again to ideally get someone they're targeting like they did with Rice.

Go ahead and take BPA, but that should most likely come from either WR, OT, or DT. OT or DT at the end of the 1st are probably going to be hit or miss. Late 1st OTs usually aren't day 1 ready players, and late 1st DTs also have a mixed track record (see Mazi Smith). All that being said, just keep adding talent. I still don't think the playoffs have changed anything about the need at WR.

O.city 01-29-2024 10:54 AM

The playoffs have shown that you gotta have good players and depth.

duncan_idaho 01-29-2024 11:07 AM

I think it just depends on how the draft falls and who is there.

If a WR is there that is higher on their board than anyone else, I think that's where the Chiefs will go.

I don't think they would REACH for a WR over a DT or OT with a higher grade. But I also don't think they would do that, anyway.

DJ's left nut 01-29-2024 11:17 AM

The post-season hasn't done anything that Rice's emergence didn't do starting around week 10.

WR is still our top need, IMO - but no longer a DIRE need. It's an area where WR should win ties if there are some tightly grouped guys when our pick comes up, but that was the case before the post-season.

If the best player is a DT - take him. If the best player is an OT - take him. Hell, if the best player is a CB, I'd take him. Or a TE.

Which is where I was around mid-November.

Mecca 01-29-2024 11:19 AM

We need to add pass game weapons, that's priority 1.

Chargem 01-29-2024 11:48 AM

I don't think its changed anything. I did jokingly think to myself before I saw this thread "I wonder if there is any amount of yards/catches that MVS could make in the Superbowl that saves him from getting cut".

It probably quietens the over-reaction crowd who wanted to totally gut the whole WR room apart from Rice, but we probably still want the same as before: a more reliable/versatile/better veteran than MVS, and some young talent in the draft at pass catcher, preferably with some deep speed.

Its one of those years were maybe the WR the Chiefs can get at 32 this year would go in the top 15-20 in other years. The Chiefs aren't going to be picking top 20 any time soon, you still grab that WR in 1 this year if it falls that way I think.

RunKC 01-29-2024 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17374739)
The post-season hasn't done anything that Rice's emergence didn't do starting around week 10.

WR is still our top need, IMO - but no longer a DIRE need. It's an area where WR should win ties if there are some tightly grouped guys when our pick comes up, but that was the case before the post-season.

If the best player is a DT - take him. If the best player is an OT - take him. Hell, if the best player is a CB, I'd take him. Or a TE.

Which is where I was around mid-November.

Agree with this so much. I would add a G. If Thuney really has a torn pec then we might have to hit the eject button there. We would pay $10 million in dead money but save $16 million.

That's just a devastating injury for a guy turning 32 next year. He hasn't even had surgery yet. He wouldn't be able to lift on that side of his body for 4-5 months. Then what?

O.city 01-29-2024 11:58 AM

IF you can get out of Thuney, I'd keep Humphrey and Smith together.

DJ's left nut 01-29-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 17374809)
I don't think its changed anything. I did jokingly think to myself before I saw this thread "I wonder if there is any amount of yards/catches that MVS could make in the Superbowl that saves him from getting cut".

It probably quietens the over-reaction crowd who wanted to totally gut the whole WR room apart from Rice, but we probably still want the same as before: a more reliable/versatile/better veteran than MVS, and some young talent in the draft at pass catcher, preferably with some deep speed.

Its one of those years were maybe the WR the Chiefs can get at 32 this year would go in the top 15-20 in other years. The Chiefs aren't going to be picking top 20 any time soon, you still grab that WR in 1 this year if it falls that way I think.

Nah - MVS is getting cut or massively restructured. He has a base salary of $11.5 million next season. He's not playing on that.

Maybe $3-5 million, tops. And I could see Veach keeping him around at that figure because he does do the 'little things' right. A willing and active downfield blocker and isn't a malcontent when he's not getting force-fed the ball.

Best guess is we cut him but leave the door open for him to come back on a deal similar to the minimum deals that someone like Richie James may get.

Chargem 01-29-2024 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17374818)
Agree with this so much. I would add a G. If Thuney really has a torn pec then we might have to hit the eject button there. We would pay $10 million in dead money but save $16 million.

That's just a devastating injury for a guy turning 32 next year. He hasn't even had surgery yet. He wouldn't be able to lift on that side of his body for 4-5 months. Then what?

I thought it had been confirmed it was just a strain, not a tear

DJ's left nut 01-29-2024 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17374818)
Agree with this so much. I would add a G. If Thuney really has a torn pec then we might have to hit the eject button there. We would pay $10 million in dead money but save $16 million.

That's just a devastating injury for a guy turning 32 next year. He hasn't even had surgery yet. He wouldn't be able to lift on that side of his body for 4-5 months. Then what?

I don't think that's right.

He has almost $21 million in pro-rated base and restructure bonuses from what I can see. We won't have to pay him his $15.5 million base salary next year, but we'd carry a roughly $22 million dead cap charge in the process.

I think we'd save about $5 million this year (and about $10 million off the 2025 cap by accelerating that pro-rated 2025 money).

I don't think this is a career altering injury for him. His base salaries are reasonable and the signing/restructure bonuses are already baked into the cake. I think he's here for the duration of this contract.

Mecca 01-29-2024 12:17 PM

Thuney isn't gone, no way.

Direckshun 01-29-2024 12:37 PM

The only thing -- the only thing -- that I think these games have changed for me is that a Justin Reid extension is far more likely now than it was at some earlier point in the season.


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