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Old 09-20-2013, 03:07 PM   #414
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie View Post
First off, I love that this is now about Tyson Jackson. But sure, let's run with it.

You're right - under the old rookie wage (non-existent) system, Tyson Jackson's contract vastly outweighed his contribution on the field.

Guess what? That contract was renegotiated and his compensation lowered to an amount that IS COMMENSURATE WITH HIS PRODUCTION.

If you are trying to compare his contract/production to Fisher's then you're spinning your wheels. The contracts are nowhere near the same level.

In fact, Fisher has a lower cap hit than Winston would have, and while his play is also lower, his potential is much greater. He was a better investment financially than keeping Winston was.

So, since we have a finite number of assets including draft picks, where would you have preferred using that asset?
I'm not comparing Jackson's contract and production to Fisher's, I'm talking about how high draft picks aren't just them little bitches on a chessboard.

But, since nearly every poster on ChiefsPlanet seems to have scored a 7 on their ACT Reading, let's go back to step one, again:

Jackson was a huge investment financially. He was also a huge investment with the draft pick used to get him. When you pick Tyson Jackson #3 you are saying that you believe him to be a more valuable player than every other player in the draft who isn't Matt Stafford or Jason Smith (and possibly better/more valuable than them as well).

Since you were talking about Jackson and his comparison to a hypothetical sixth rounder in post #369 of this thread I used him as a point of comparison to demonstrate your fallacious line of reasoning. I didn't grasp him out of the ether, you mentioned his relative production after BigCatDaddy said he sucked for 1.3.

Regarding the shit show that has been Eric Fisher: Even if he gets paid $1 this year, he's still a massive investment for the Chiefs because they chose him over every one else. They didn't pick him in the third round; they didn't sign him as an UDFA; the Chiefs brass said in making that pick that, "Of all the draft-eligible players available this year, this guy is the absolute best."

They passed on every other player to take him. That means that his production will be weighed against Sheldon Richardson, Barkevious Mingo. EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Luke Joeckel, Lane Johnson, and any other player in that draft, just like Robert Gallery was judged not as a fourth round pick, but as the second overall pick.

It's not just about who you take, it's also about who you pass on when you take who you take.

Finally, I appreciate the, "Well, why aren't you a GM?" that the final line of your reply evokes. It's an oft-repeated axiom of the stupid and defeated here.

My response is that I would have taken about 10-12 guys before Fisher. Go ahead and look at my posts from around the draft. They're right there.
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