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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks
... and even if I was to accept the few names you offer.. the point still stands. It's not about "oh, no one has or can ever do it." It's more about it being a very rare thing.
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You're moving the goalposts to suit your needs.
This is how your phrased your argument in this thread:
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You can't seem to grasp the simple conclusion that good/great QBs can overcome a deficient OL or WR group alone... but not combined... and yet you expect Alex to? That's just going full potato.
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The QBs I listed clearly did that.
What you're doing is playing games with words like "excel". Sorry, QBs overcame line and WR woes in the 2000-2015 SB stretch, three of them won SBs, and one of those QBs was horseshit (and THAT's where your argument would have been more effective, rather than pointing to Roethlisberger):
"Smith is a much better QB than Dilfer ever was, and he's a better QB than Brad Johnson was, too. Smith is good enough to win a Super Bowl, if he's got a good enough team around him."
That argument has validity.
And, for the record, the basic premise that lousy OL + Lousy receivers = bad times for QBs isn't really debatable. It's when you get beyond that where things get sketchy.