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Originally Posted by Buehler445
Hey man. The three year thing was your deal, not mine. I'm not saying it wasn't a cluster **** when DV left.
What you are missing is that Herms team was just as horrible. Give a guy 3 years that's 21 base picks. Especially if they're high ones like Herm got because he was ****ing horrible you should be able to pull a nucleus of decent talent. But 10 guys don't win. The 2 wins are evidence of that. If this team wasn't a total ****ing tire fire it would have won far more than 2 games. I bet you can go through about any team and find a few guys that you can build around. But it takes something better than awful at every position on the field and Herm wasn't able to get that done in 3 years. Dorsey did it in 1. He wrecked the cap to do it but he put Together some guys that can play.
Herm drafted a few stars. So did Pioli and nobody besides the local Pats trash is clamoring to his defense. Herm was a ****ing disaster. His team had less dudes that went on to play 3 years than DV did by your own count. And DV sold out to win. I'm not blinded by Herm hate anymore than you are blinded because you are enamored with a few stars he stumbled into despite being remarkably incompetent at every single aspect of his job as head coach. That is all despite the fact that crediting Herm with the acquisition of all those guys is beyond a stretch.
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Herm inherited an old as shit roster in unbelievable cap hell, and left behind an immaculate cap situation and a core roster of 10 or so players who are still not just starting, but playing excellent even today.
Do you realize that Herm left Pioli with $57M in cap space in 2009? That is insane. And it's not a stretch to give Herm a lot of credit. It's widely known that he went over Peterson's head and demanded that he blow up the roster and push for a youth movement.
With 10-15 not just good, but mostly excellent players, $57M in cap space... there is no excuse for Pioli not to have built a kickass roster in 2009. I have never, ever, ever said Herm was a good coach. But JFC, to blame him for the piece of shit he was given and not acknowledge what a terrific situation the Chiefs were in by 2009.... some people will just hate for the sake of hating.