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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501
He isn't as bad as haters want him to be. I don't care how talented your roster is, you don't make that many playoff games by accident. But his ceiling was 9-7 which is unacceptable to me.
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You said he was a junk coach, but he brought in good guys so he was a pass. I finally get you to see that the roster wasn't talented and now he's a good coach again? No he was a good coach because Waters was still there and he hadn't killed LJ yet. Until he did, but whatever, you said he was bad at coaching, so cool I guess.
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501
Yes, it's absurd to say a guy who inherited a hot mess then left the team on a clean slate "wrecked the franchise." And yes, I think it is a complete misrepresentation to say he took a playoff team and turned them into a 2-14 squad. That lets Vermeil completely off the hook and Vermeil is by far the bigger culprit for the mess between 2006-2008 than Herm was.
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I didn't say he took a playoff squad and turned them into 2-14 (even though he did). I never said Vermeil was bad. You started the comparisons to Vermeil. I merely discovered that he had far more guys that played 3 additional years than Herm did.
What I said was he took a proud competitive franchise and turned it into a joke. If you don't think the Thigpistol and the D that yielded 4 ****ing sacks is not a joke, then you have a very serious sense of humor.
And you're going to put 08 on Vermeil? There weren't even any of his dudes left. They were all Herm's dudes. And they had some money so don't run that cap shit at me again.
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501
No, they don't. Not like the Chiefs had. The Chiefs had the oldest roster in football and they tried to salvage it by loading the team up with tons and tons of credit card debt. The drafting under Lynn Stiles during the Vermeil era was arguably the worst in the NFL during that time. Oldest team in football. Years of cap hell. A ridiculously shitty pipeline of young players after years and years of failed drafts. This was the perfect storm of shit.
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Yes. Yes they do. Remember the Steelers being OLD AS ****. Then they built a defense. Then they drafted Ben. Then they won Super Bowls. Then they got old as **** again. Now their defense isn't stellar but they're all over the Super Bowl radar because Ben rapes faces. Never even got close to 2-14.
Remember how old the Cheatriots were after Moss and company left? They got real young real fast and didn't shit the ****ing bed.
Hell even the Ravens who were old as **** are currently 4-9. And Flacco died. And Suggs Died. And Steve Smith died. But still they're not even done and they still managed twice as many wins as Herm's boys.
Remember when Harbitch made the 9ers young? They went....oh that's right. They never sucked shit. And they were a true tire fire. And you can't run the "But they haz QB." shit at me.
Remember when the Giants were old after they won a super bowl? They were old as ****. Where was their 2 win year?
Bottom line: YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUCK TO TURN IT AROUND.