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Originally Posted by Buehler445
You obviously never took the time to read my assertions. I asserted that if Herm were worth half a **** at personnel he'd have found some depth for not a lot of money like Dorsey had. You turned that into high priced free agents for "meaningless wins." And you touted how Pioli was given the third overall pick as if it was something other than the team being a goddamned hot garbage ****ing cluster**** disaster.
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Dorsey had a team to build around. Despite your sob story about the roster he inherited, he had a decent amount of talent and most were young. He built the team through what he inherited (15 decent enough starters / 8 pro bowlers), several pricey free agents, a bold trade for a QB, lots of small but cap significant FA moves (e.g. Fasano, Mauga/Abdullah second contracts, etc...), and yes the draft/scrap haul. Herm/Kuharich could barely keep their own let alone sign FAs, so they had to rely only on draft/scrap pile. Dorsey/Reid is obviously better than Herm/Kuharich. That doesn't make Herm bad at personnel.
I never supported tanking. I support playing hard with the roster you have. But yeah, Getting 2-3 extra wins because of middling fixes that hurt your long-term cap, hurt your ability to see what you have in young players, and hurt your draft haul... those are meaningless wins. Band-aiding a roster that isn't competitive when you don't have a clean cap is your typical Carl Peterson "I'm going to put butts in seats move." I hated the idea in 2007. I hated it in 2014.
It's apples and oranges. Dorsey inherited a roster that could have been rebuilt while retooling. Herm inherited a roster that had to be sledgehammered. Period. He could have squeezed more out of the lemon in 2006. I don't agree. The Chiefs should have blown the team up sooner (in 2006).
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This whole thread is about there was no cap space. The guys on the defense were old, save Poe Houston and Berry, who was not nearly as effective at the time as he is this season. The defense had just collapsed the whole season - capped off with the incredible playoff loss.
The offense was extremely limited. Smith was ineffective against better defenses and was over 30 (IIRC). And about 80% of the production came from 1 RB that was almost 30. The WR corps had ****all besides and old slow Bowe.
On the whole, most of the playmakers were old save a few young guys along with using a good chunk of the cap to get back to competitive. To top it all off we had just floundered on yet another playoff run.
The situation is not all that different from what Vermiel left. The cap in terms of being ****ed for the next year wasn't as bad, but Dorsey sold out to get the team not a total shit****, much like Vermiel sold out to win in the playoffs. And the offense wasn't as good as Vermeils and the defense wasn't as bad, but the defense couldn't hold a 28 point lead against a crap team. And all the offensive production came from a RB that is over the hill in RB standards.
Why no sledgehammer? Why is it perfectly acceptable for Herm to butt**** the franchise? Yet you aren't screaming for Dorsey to dump everybody worth a **** so we can "get young (shitty) guys snaps?
Why?
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Pioli didn't hand Dorsey a mess roster wise. Vermeil handed Herm an utter Titanic shipwreck disaster. There is no comparison. Not even close.
-2006 Chiefs team was $20M over the cap. 2013 Chiefs were $20M under the cap
-2006 Chiefs had less than 5 positional players under 30 good enough to make an NFL roster. Literally. 2013 Chiefs had about 15 solid enough starters already and 8 who made the 2014 pro bowl
-2006 Chiefs were the oldest roster in football by a mile. 2013 Chiefs were about average
-2006 Chiefs had a ton of money in terrible dead money contracts. Dorsey had little trouble purging most of the roster
-Dorsey was on the same page as Reid. Herm had to fight to take control out of Peterson, who was mucking everything up
And yes, the QB makes a huge difference regardless of your opinion on Alex Smith. Herm could have done the same thing and brought in Chad Pennington. He didn't. And I'm glad he didn't.