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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501
Dorsey had a team to build around. Despite your sob story about the roster he inherited, he had a decent amount of talent and most were young. He built the team through what he inherited (15 decent enough starters / 8 pro bowlers), several pricey free agents, a bold trade for a QB, lots of small but cap significant FA moves (e.g. Fasano, Mauga/Abdullah second contracts, etc...), and yes the draft/scrap haul. Herm/Kuharich could barely keep their own let alone sign FAs, so they had to rely only on draft/scrap pile. Dorsey/Reid is obviously better than Herm/Kuharich. That doesn't make Herm bad at personnel.
I never supported tanking. I support playing hard with the roster you have. But yeah, Getting 2-3 extra wins because of middling fixes that hurt your long-term cap, hurt your ability to see what you have in young players, and hurt your draft haul... those are meaningless wins. Band-aiding a roster that isn't competitive when you don't have a clean cap is your typical Carl Peterson "I'm going to put butts in seats move." I hated the idea in 2007. I hated it in 2014.
It's apples and oranges. Dorsey inherited a roster that could have been rebuilt while retooling. Herm inherited a roster that had to be sledgehammered. Period. He could have squeezed more out of the lemon in 2006. I don't agree. The Chiefs should have blown the team up sooner (in 2006).
Pioli didn't hand Dorsey a mess roster wise. Vermeil handed Herm an utter Titanic shipwreck disaster. There is no comparison. Not even close.
-2006 Chiefs team was $20M over the cap. 2013 Chiefs were $20M under the cap
-2006 Chiefs had less than 5 positional players under 30 good enough to make an NFL roster. Literally. 2013 Chiefs had about 15 solid enough starters already and 8 who made the 2014 pro bowl
-2006 Chiefs were the oldest roster in football by a mile. 2013 Chiefs were about average
-2006 Chiefs had a ton of money in terrible dead money contracts. Dorsey had little trouble purging most of the roster
-Dorsey was on the same page as Reid. Herm had to fight to take control out of Peterson, who was mucking everything up
And yes, the QB makes a huge difference regardless of your opinion on Alex Smith. Herm could have done the same thing and brought in Chad Pennington. He didn't. And I'm glad he didn't.
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You continually understate how good the 2006 team was and overstate how good the 08 team was, hence you saying dumbass shit like this
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501
The other thing you fail to mention is... how many of Vermeil's guys were still legit NFL players in 2008? DJ, Waters, Gonzalez, Tony Richardson, Surtain. FIVE. DJ was the only guy in that entire group who was under 30. So yeah, when you have to build a 53 man roster and you literally have 1 young guy and 4 old farts to work with and $0 to spend, how reasonable is it for any coach to turn that roster over in 3 years?
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When in fact there were 20 dudes that played 3 years on the 06 roster and mother****ing 17 after Herm left.
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Like I said in that thread, teams can be rebuilt and turned over without becoming a joke of a ****ing franchise. So you're going to point to a $40M cap difference and say that Herm still ROOLZ. Dorsey is not perfect but he has done a pretty nice job here. Especially in the context of Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards and Scott Franchise Killer Pioli.