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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO
I have a feeling we might have seen the hand maiden already.
And I have that feeling because I read it somewhere. But I can't ****ing find it anywhere.
Makes sense that if ned didn't even tell his wife about it how was he gonna let the maiden leave and take the chance she would sell them out.
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True, but the hand maiden probably had no idea of the implications either, or could've been from the targ regime. Either way, I'm taking a closer look at her on the next viewings.
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief
I'm sure they will have some plot device to authenticate to all of Westeros that R+L=J.
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They did that in my opinion, targ Kings guard. The hand maiden was trusted by the kingsguards too, and therefore Rygar. Seems the hand maiden was less of a concern then Ned's wife and best friend Robert......
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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief
I think R+L=J is a massive red herring. Jon's claim is based on having Stark blood not being a secret Targaryan. Really, he wouldn't care. He was raised as a Stark in the North and he looks like one. Not that I think he wants either the Iron Throne or the throne of The North.
I doubt Howland Reed is going to say anything in public. Though him showing up at Winterfell would be a great boost to Jon's support. That he traveled out of the neck in a time of great unrest in the Riverlands to basically give his blessing. Not to mention he was Ned's best friend.
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Jon's "claim" (he wasn't even interested in) is based on his half stark bloodline, and his time growing up in the north compiled with his time on the wall and in the bastard bowl. It won't be deminished because the other half of his blood line is targ and not some random tavern slut. In fact I think it would strengthen it because it's another strong bloodline and not a random.
If he were half stark and half Lannister, however, that would/could cheapen his claim, that he didn't even want, from the northerners......
Howleen Reed is a wildcard, but in a good way, like pitch. Adds points to the trick taken. He's the only living person we know of importance that saw it (besides Bran in greenvision) and while rewatching in early season, Jojen Reed tells Bran he also watched Ned stark be beheaded with his greenvision, and when he told his dad, Howland, it was the first time Jojen saw his father, Howland, cry.
I like rewatching this show.......
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief
Yes, when he was saving Mormont at Castle Black from the white walker. He grabbed a lamp and threw it at the white walker to burn it and kill it. Burned his hand.
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Yes, but technically that was a Wite, the zombie like undead members of the white walker's and Nights king's army. They are all a bit different; as I understand it, the Knights King was made by the children of the forest to help fight mankind, putting a shard of dragon glass into his heart. The rest of the white walkers are Craster's sons, we've only seen 13 on the show, full grown white walkers, and one knights King (original) the rest of the dead army are Whites, brought back to life with blue eyes. (Remember Tormen and Edd at the castle black after Jon is resurrected, "well, your eyes aren't blue").
Anyway, I'll stop rambling now.....
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Originally Posted by Pestilence
Doesn't mean shit if dying changed him.
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Absolutely a possibility.
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Originally Posted by RustShack
Not all Targaryens are immune to fire.
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Very true.