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Originally Posted by penbrook
What do you consider a average rookie?
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You've got several starters across the league who were picked up over the tenure of Reid's time in KC; Winston, Mariota, Bridgewater, Carr, Osweiler, Lynch, Goff, Wentz, Prescott, etc., and a whole slew of fodder beyond that.
You have to understand that when I say "average", I'm not referencing PFF or stat-lines at all. That shit means absolutely nothing to me, and you'll never see me throwing that garbage around in an attempt to impress anyone or win a debate.
Some might argue that such measurables are necessary to create a complete picture, but I would counter that time spent watching the player play, watching him handle the obvious and the adverse, gives one a much better and clearer outlook on what the actual situation of each guy is across the length of a season.
And I firmly believe that "talent is talent".
Yeah, that sounds dumb alright, but it damned sure cuts quickly through the nonsense of supposition arguments about QB's "needing more weapons" and other such horse shit.
But let's answer your question using a simple 5-point system along with some of the samples I have provided.
I have to put Winston and Mariota at a 4. They have both been very steady and effective for their teams, though neither one has yet to flash upper tier play on a regular basis. They aren't sitting in the middle, they were rookies asked to lead and start for an NFL franchise right out of the draft, but they aren't quite climbing to the top either at this point.
I believe you could put Carr here as well though to my eye and HIS accomplishments, he really straddles that fine point between a low 4 and a high 3, 3 being square in the middle and therefore "average".
Carr gets the bump to the 4 because he was sadly saddled with the Raiders and yet has managed to be the lone dock crane capable of pulling that sorry ship out of the undertow, so to speak.
Can you somewhat begin to see the dynamic at play here?
This is sight-based review, and we haven't even gone down the road in to outside influences that can have a negative or positive impact on the player at hand's standing overall.