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Originally Posted by jd1020
Just look at what the Cubs gave up for Jose Quintana who has comparable career numbers, slightly worse, to Archer and 1 less year of control.
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Jimenez and Cease would probably be the rough equivalent of Reyes and Bader. The Cubs duo is probably worth a little more, but it's in the margin of error.
And because Archer has the strikeout rates and extra year of control, he'll be worth a bit more than Quintana so you'd need to beat that offer by a bit. The only way the Cards are going to do that is with Kelly or maybe Flaherty/Weaver. But they really shouldn't be moving Flaherty/Weaver given their clear plan for the rotation going forward (especially not if Reyes is dealt).
The other two guys are filler, really. They may have the value of that Woodman clown the Cardinals just got from the Jays for Diaz.
So yeah, to make a comparable trade for Archer the Cardinals would need to top Jimenez/Cease. The only clear way to do that in this system is Reyes and Kelly. Hudson and Grichuk might get them in the door on Colome but they would probably need to toss in another guy like Woodford or Gallen.
So based on the returns of pitchers with a lot of control and relievers with sparkly save numbers, you'd have to assume it would take AT LEAST Reyes, Kelly, Hudson, Gallen, Grichuk and Woodman.