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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
Here's the thing with Dorsey - his poor contract history is overstated and you can point all this shit out all you want but nobody listens.
Bowe was a bad contract that he was lucky to be able to escape as easily as he did; no argument there. But that's a product of having a barren cupboard when he got here. He had no choice but to get Bowe signed and Bowe's deal was reasonable when signed. He couldn't have known that Bowe would just shut it down because what experience did he have with the man? And there was literally nobody in the wings behind him - that WR corps sucked WITH Bowe; they had to presume reasonably representative production from him in trying to assemble it going forward. They did and Bowe mailed it in. But you can't hold Bowe's personality against Dorsey - he'd just gotten there. All you can do is look at what he had on hand, what he was asked to do (build a credible team) and what his available options were. Bowe's deal was completely defensible in real time.
The Houston thing was on Houston's camp as much as Dorsey's. Let's not forget that Dorsey tried hard to get Houston extended prior to his breakout season. Houston's camp said they wouldn't do so for less than Watt money so Dorsey made Houston prove he was that level of player. Houston did. We extended him to, by all accounts, the same deal he was requesting the year prior. And then he got !@#$ing hurt, man. Shit happens.
Dorsey TRIED not to do the Berry deal and got cut off at the knees for it. Clark ****ed us there, not Dorsey.
And on Maclin, the dude was excoriated for cutting Maclin and clearing $10 million in real time. But it was obviously the right move.
The truly terrible one was Hali and DJ's wasn't much worse. But I believe he had a handshake agreement with DJ and that's why he so willingly gave money back. The damage DJ did to our cap is overstated because people ignore his restructure. As for Hali, that was obviously a panic move after Houston's knee simply didn't respond. Was it stupid? Yep, but that was the only move on his ledger that was, IMO, stupid of his own making. Well that and not cutting Colquitt or Daniel to free up some smaller chunks here and there.
Dorsey's cap shortcomings are overstated. He was tasked with turning an embarrassingly shitty franchise into a respectable squad immediately - and he DID. To have done that in a single season while jettisoning a whole bunch of shit from Pioli and to have a cap that was a single-season of irritation away from being in pretty good shape was quite the feat. And it would've been even more impressive had Clark not gotten his dumb-ass involved on the Berry decision.
Dorsey's an excellent GM, IMO. Veach is a scout and a puppet. For all the credit that Veach gets for scouting Mahomes (and he should get plenty), I'm not convinced that he'd have gotten the deal made that Dorsey got made to even go up there and get him. Dorsey is simply a better facilitator than Veach is, IMO.
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It's possible. All that may very well be true. But he had a lot of issues and he came into a good situation with Reid and the Chiefs.
Similarly in Cleveland, he was set up flush with picks and cash.
I don't know if you listen to Haberman and Middlekauff but John is pretty tight with Veach and company, so this may come off a little scorned earth, but his word was that Dorsey was to egotistical and that's why he was let go. I don't know.
I don't really have a lot yet to base Veach off of. He's signed some guys I like, but he's paid market for them, which as you said, isn't exactly hard.
This is a big offseason. So far, seems a little rocky.