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Originally Posted by Setsuna
Meh. He made all his choices himself. Just like Eddard made all his choices. Dany endured much worse. She was supposed to be 13 at the start. She turned out well considering tbh.
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She kind of went all ****ing Hitler-ish, dawg. She had to endure a lot, but a lot happened to her. And thusly why it was understandable that she went off the reservation.
Jon had to do the doing of all that horrible shit, though. He didn't just watch his loved ones die, he had to do some of the killing. And while Dany's external stress of leading in Essos was of people she had conquered, Jon's was his people.
I'd argue Jon had it worse. And Dany still went off the reservation. It would be reasonable for Jon to want to get away as a method of dealing with all the shit. If he was forced into more leadership, it is difficult for me to believe he could have kept his psychological composure.
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus
NO JON SNOW SLANDER WILL BE TOLERATED.
But seriously though. I'm not going to fault him for the majority of that.
Mance was charming and clearly a good dude. Assuming he wasn't, assassinating the dude in the willing camp would have gotten Jon butchered immediately.
The wildlings nearly took Castle Black because it was 100,000 of them vs 100 men of the Night's Watch.
Hardhome was a similar story. It was a few thousand bickering wildlings vs the entire undead army.
The Battle of the Bastards was Sansa's fault. Jon was working with what he had because she was being a **** withholding information.
The Battle of Winterfell was more Daenerys abandoning the gameplan in the 1st quarter.
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That narrrative is fairly tongue in cheek. But if they would have put him on the throne, you'd bet you'd be hearing about it.
Jon's storyline was by far the most compelling.