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kccrow · 04-17-2020, 08:17 PM

@ Direkshun and Kellerfox

I absolutely dislike Murray against the run. I've been vocal about that. That said, he's athletic as hell and can make plays sideline-to-sideline. I don't think he needs to be "taught the position" but he needs some coaching, especially coverage and taking on blockers. I think Queen is the same type of guy. I think Brooks is the same type of guy. Dye from Oregon is that guy too.

None are "clearly" good at anything other than moving fast. None come downhill well against the run, especially if forced to stack, shed, and scrape. They make plays when they have a free shot or outside the tackle box. I don't know that any of them will ever be that type of player. All of them are weak side players for sure.

None are exceptional man coverage players. They function well in shallow zones. They all have skill sets that could make them very good with regards to coverage and that's what you're projecting with them. I think a huge factor is going to be intelligence and I don't have their Wonderlic scores or in-depth knowledge of that.

I don't know if teams are going to pass on the athletic potential Murray and Queen have. I don't mind Brooks but he doesn't look to have great lateral agility in comparison to Murray and Queen. He is a guy that would benefit most from learning to actually play like a big boy because I think with his size and speed, he'd be a good downhill defender.

I think Baun, Harrison, and Wilson are better linebackers for the NFL right now but they don't have the projection that Murray and Queen have IF they can put it together, especially in coverage, and they don't have the athleticism. Overall, I think its a question of if the guys are coachable and if they have the intelligence, and then you go from there. You aren't touching what they already do well with anyone in this class and those are things elite players do and traits they show.

Wilson remains my favorite overall linebacker in this draft. I think he can be pretty special with some NFL coaching. That said, there's a reason Murray and Queen are considered the top guys and it's not entirely because of what they already do.

04-17-2020, 08:17 PM	#6
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1320000	@ Direkshun and Kellerfox I absolutely dislike Murray against the run. I've been vocal about that. That said, he's athletic as hell and can make plays sideline-to-sideline. I don't think he needs to be "taught the position" but he needs some coaching, especially coverage and taking on blockers. I think Queen is the same type of guy. I think Brooks is the same type of guy. Dye from Oregon is that guy too. None are "clearly" good at anything other than moving fast. None come downhill well against the run, especially if forced to stack, shed, and scrape. They make plays when they have a free shot or outside the tackle box. I don't know that any of them will ever be that type of player. All of them are weak side players for sure. None are exceptional man coverage players. They function well in shallow zones. They all have skill sets that could make them very good with regards to coverage and that's what you're projecting with them. I think a huge factor is going to be intelligence and I don't have their Wonderlic scores or in-depth knowledge of that. I don't know if teams are going to pass on the athletic potential Murray and Queen have. I don't mind Brooks but he doesn't look to have great lateral agility in comparison to Murray and Queen. He is a guy that would benefit most from learning to actually play like a big boy because I think with his size and speed, he'd be a good downhill defender. I think Baun, Harrison, and Wilson are better linebackers for the NFL right now but they don't have the projection that Murray and Queen have IF they can put it together, especially in coverage, and they don't have the athleticism. Overall, I think its a question of if the guys are coachable and if they have the intelligence, and then you go from there. You aren't touching what they already do well with anyone in this class and those are things elite players do and traits they show. Wilson remains my favorite overall linebacker in this draft. I think he can be pretty special with some NFL coaching. That said, there's a reason Murray and Queen are considered the top guys and it's not entirely because of what they already do.
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