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Old 08-25-2020, 08:42 AM   #985
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Sure.

But what I'm saying is that I'm not sure Watson is the level of elite to have much of a complaint here.

He's not Manning, Brady or Brees. He's not Rodgers and he's not Ben, IMO.
Can't disagree with that, no. But this league does have a habit of over-rewarding QB play simply because there's not enough truly good ones. We'll never know with Watson because he's probably stuck in Houston regardless.

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Go back to the beginning of the Patriots run and you have how many SBs won by guys who weren't better QBs than Deshaun Watson? Eli won a couple, Flacco won one. I think Watson and Wilson are probably on similar footing (the year that Wilson won - Wilson's now a better player than Watson).

One can say he's a victim of unfortunate timing who's unlikely to win a championship due to circumstance, but over the last 20 years, there's been maybe 3-4 championships won buy guys who weren't flat-ass better than Deshaun Watson is.

I'm just honestly not sure there's a place that would clearly help him in that regard. I don't think there's a right 'crossroads' for him, other than falling into a premier system like Eli did. And ultimately that kind of system can drag Jimmy Grapes mediocre ass to success (or Eli Mannings, for that matter, who's never been a top 10 QB in the league, IMO) so I think it's more of a truism than anything.

I think the 'why sign long-term when you can't win a championship there?' thing is often overstated, especially for marquee positions. In MOST cases you're unlikely to end up in a landing spot where you're going to win a championship. So you might as well get paid. And Houston's a sizeable media market w/ plenty of local opportunity and wealth so he has avenues outside of the game for exposure.

I just don't see things changing a ton for him regardless of his timing.
Can't necessarily disagree with any of this either. It's just that the circumstance of timing will probably prevent any of us, including Watson himself, from ever knowing for certain.
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