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Originally Posted by DaFace
It's the nuanced part of the discussion that I think people have missed out on. 10 years ago, there was SOME truth to the notion that EVs and solar panels were too expensive to compensate for the cost savings, and SOME truth to the idea that they weren't as environmentally friendly as they sound on the surface.
Since then, the costs and environmental impacts have declined rapidly while the efficiency has steadily improved, and they likely will continue those trends for at least the next 5-10 years. EVs and solar panels are no longer the realm of wealthy tree huggers - they're just plain economical for a majority of situations.
Really, if it weren't for the issue of charging on long drives, there would be very few legit arguments for ICE vehicles at all at this point. Unfortunately, that's a very tough one to solve for.
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To be honest, the solution to ICE vehicles, and vehicle costs in general, is to not drive. Unfortunately, as you said, the problem is distance, especially once you get past the east or west costs.
In Europe, I could go anywhere I wanted without ever setting foot in a car. Can't do that here, it's simply not practical unless you live in a major metro.