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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501
I think these are the kinds of arguments that lead to guys like Justin Herbert and matthew Stafford getting overhyped. I would absolutely take Montana and Brady over marino. I know they had way better talent to work with but having wxceptional ability and stats doesn’t always translate into wins. I think marino falls into the rivers and Herbert category of exceptionally talented qbs who just can’t seem to win when it counts. There is no guarantee that Marino wins big games with a better supporting cast.
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Marino was saddled with a couple truly atrocious defenses, iirc. At least one for sure for at least 3-4 years. He was doing the Manning thing before Payton did it. Trying to score piles upon piles of points because his defense couldn't stuff a runny nose. Also trying to extend drives just to keep his own defense off the field.
And in those days, everyone ran the piss out of the ball compared to how the league runs today, so MIA's defense was getting gangraped on the ground much more so than through the air.
Tangent: the way the rules are enforced these days in the passing game, there's really no such thing as a shutdown CB, much less a shutdown secondary. The rules are just too slanted in the favor of the offense. Heck, Wilson practically earned himself that first extension just by throwing those high-arching passes that drew flag after flag because the refs were going to call any contact by the DB vs. the WR. That's why Russ would have stat lines after a lot of games where he threw for <200 yds (maaaybe), but the team would score 30+ points or whatever. He was adept at chucking 50/50 balls to the EZ, forcing the DB to commit DPI, and boom, SEA gets a free 1st down on the 2.
So, we can forget the idea of ever having a shutdown secondary. We really want smart, sticky, and well-coached. make it as difficult as possible to get chunk plays and take away the run. But stopping a modern passing attack is the myth in 2022 and beyond. Check the league's best secondaries; no one is shutting down anyone these days, unless either the QB and/or the OC are just flat incompetent.