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Originally Posted by Chris Meck
Dude, Toney was here 1/3 of the season and Moore barely played. And it's March, and the roster is nowhere near set.
Where are you getting this 400% number? Because I don't think Moore and Toney both need to be like 1,200 yard receivers for this offense to function. I think we're getting pretty silly here.
What you are stating over and over is that this team won 9 games by 4 points or less, and we're in grave danger of losing those games right now. Of course, you're comparing this incomplete roster in March to the opponents' complete roster in season, which they don't have either right now, so the whole argument is a farce.
And you refuse to grant any of the extenuating circumstance that the team played through in '22-namely and entirely new WR room other than Hardman, a lot of injuries, and starting 5 rookies the bulk of the season on defense with a 6th taking a LOT of snaps, too. So none of that matters, the problem is that our WR's weren't good enough, so we're doomed.
Never mind that the HUGE turnover in the WR room last year means we'll have most of the guys back (and if not, that would have to be a clear upgrade not to) and in their second year in this offense, and that the 6 rookies on defense aren't rookies anymore. You don't think that maybe equals a little better scoring defense? A little less confusion on our offense?
No, you're not being realistic, you're being very pessimistic. Guys get better when they're young. Entire units operate more efficiently when they get more reps together. There's no reason at all to expect disaster.
Especially, because it's MARCH. This roster is nowhere near complete. I'm not going to get into an argument with you about 'well what if this is it' because it's clearly NOT.
You're looking at everything in a vaccuum. And that's not accurate. The whole league is in flux. Nobody is set right now.
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400% better for Toney would be about what? 700+ yards? Of course, he'd have to stay healthy. What if he goes down for 6-8 games? Not like it hasn't already happened before, right? But 700-800 yards, we'd be pretty happy with that in his first full year as a Chief, I think. Especially when he hasn't caught over 600 yds in his entire career. At least we can probably agree he'll catch more than a pair of TDs in 2023. Even if he only plays in 10 games he'll probably catch at least 6-8 i think.
Skyy is the great unknown. I think he'll be more productive, but does 750+ yards sound likely? I mean, if he makes great improvement over the offseason, maybe. But am I crazy to think that 500 or so is more likely in his second year? It sounds doable, anyway. And we'll just not talk about TDs right now.
I'm just saying, even hitting those first numbers, there's a hole in the room. That's not pessimism, that's a fact. And Andy/Veach already know this. It's probably part of why they sent someone to OB's workout, and why they're even thinking about DHop. But I don't think they can realistically get either.
Whatever. Maybe they go after Hollins or Thielen. But one thing for sure: they won't go into the season with MVS, Toney, and Skyy, the Ross', and a couple rooks. There's just not enough reliability there, it's mostly potential, and a very large dose of risk.
400% of 171 yards would be 684 yards. So I really meant 500%, which would take Toney to 855.