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Originally Posted by Megatron96
I would say he's an all-time great. The greatest ever, maybe not. But in the conversation for top -10 all-time? Just look at the list of QBs he's had to deal with, and he still posted six 1,000+ yard seasons, and another that was 40 yards short of 1,000 yards, with Brock Osweiler and Tom Savage as his QBs.
Give me another example of an all-time great WR that has had a worse group of passers to contend with, because I honestly can't think of one. And coaching. Holy Mother of God.
How many great WRs would do as well as Deandre, much less better, given the QBs and HCs/OCs that he's carried in his career?
He's been elite, in spite of his QBs and coaches, and unlike most great WRs, he's had to do it almost entirely by himself.
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I don't remember when/why I went down this rabbithole a few years back, but the bottom line was that Hopkins numbers didn't improve markedly when he went from Hoyer/Mallet to Watson. '14-'15 was virtually identical to '18-'19 for him. And likely would've been better but/for Andre Johnson getting a massive target share in '14.
And as I noted then, that's often the case for possession receivers. They don't need brilliant QB play to fight off someone for the ball. In fact, oftentimes the opposite is true and better QB play negatively impacts their numbers as they aren't having passes forced to them in traffic.
I mean if you truly think that Hopkins will age like some of the all-time superstar receivers did, you should really have no problem taking on that $20 million figure this season, extending him AND giving up a 2nd for him. But I don't think you actually feel like that's the case.
There's a disconnect between "I'd give a 3 and restructure his deal" and "He's going to age like Jerry Rice..."