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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
A hurry is COMPLETELY subjective based on the very definition you provided.
I'm aware of what a pressure is and it's the 'hurry' element that creates the bullshit. Again I'll reference when PFF gave OBJ a pressure on a screen pass. No, that's not 'getting beat' - it's a grader being an asshole.
The statistic is not even a little bit reliable because it, like the player grading metric you proceed to lambast, is based on a completely subjective determination of what was 'supposed' to happen. There are times a OL is supposed to come off his man to help with someone else and then when his original guy is let loose, the play is timed to actually ensure that, despite the fact he's closing on the QB as the ball is being delivered, he's not actually creating any problems. And Reid is the absolute master of this sort of thing - he's made an art form of it (the Jah Reid game was the best example you'll ever see - 'pressures' that didn't mean shit).
But because he was almost there when the throw was being made and the grader doesn't have any idea what the timing/progressions or assignments on the play where, it's a pressure when everything went to script.
Pressures are a worthless, awful statistic. They're as prone to error as the player grades and for the exact same reasons.
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You literally are arguing something I literally said in my post
if we want to argue about hurries, fine, but the difference between numbers over a season would be pretty negligible, gain some here, lose some there due to the eye test being a little different for every individual person
Hurries have been a stat that NFL Next Gen, Pro Football Reference (That's actually who's definition I took), and several others have all used for a hot minute, to act as if it has no legitimacy is, in my opinion somewhat short sighted.
Am I saying it's infallible? Hell no, everything is open to interpretation, even things that some people think that aren't like sacks (Was it the lineman, or was it the QB, because yes, some QBs take on more sacks due to lack of awareness or inability to extend plays obviously), but to throw out the baby with the bathwater is completely illogical.
If Hurries are entirely bullshit, then let's take it out of the equation.
OBJ 2022 - 7 QB Hits, 4 Sacks
DS 2022 (Injured) - 7 QB Hits, 6 Sacks
OBJ 2021 - 12 QB Hits, 4 Sacks
DS 2021 - 4 QB Hits, 1 Sack
These being with Andy being the superior schemer and Mahomes being legendary at avoiding pressure and extending plays.
Everyone raves about how Mahomes extends plays at a LEGENDARY level, but noone thinks about WHY he has to extend so many damn plays. It might be because he's being hurried so damn much because our tackles (other than Schwartz) haven't really been these amazing bookends on the line.