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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive
Salute!
I get it. Every other franchise is jealous that you have Mahomes. All of them/us. He's him. Anyone who doesn't recognize that doesn't know what they're looking at. And I respect that Chiefs fans appreciate this moment for what it is. The comment of mine you quoted was less serious than it was breaking balls.
That said, I do think people here, elsewhere, and in the media focus too much on quaterbacks at the expense of anything else. It's the most important position in sports, but there are other dynamics at play that matter. If they didn't, then the Ravens wouldn't have won a Super Bowl with Dilfer and Flacco. If people here genuinely hold the belief that "we have Mahomes and you don't so nothing else matters," then I do disagree. It just stunts substantive conversation to collapse everything into QB A > QB B.
So I guess I do get triggered when people frame every single topic as "Mahomes vs. Lamar" when it's "Chiefs vs. Ravens." Especially when the "Mahomes vs. Lamar" turns into acting like the only player to ever have won a Heisman and two MVPs is some fraudulent also ran simply because he's not Patrick Mahomes.
Anyway, appreciate your explanations. I would like to stick around. This place is pretty unique. I just need to ignore the negative reputation comments telling me "Hope the entire female side of your family gets ass raped tonight." Onward and upward!
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I get how a Ravens' fan might hold that opinion. You did literally win the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. Though that took a historically dominant defense (led by a murderer, yeah, that's right, we just refer to Ray Lewis as a murderer around here. He's not bringing any knives with him to the game Sunday when your team honors him, right? That might change my pick of what's going to happen in the game).
But the year you won with Flacco, he elevated his game from "above-average QB" to "elite QB" during that run. He made big-time plays and played at a top-tier level. He wasn't able to sustain that (kind of like Eli Manning, honestly) and fell off, but SB winning Flacco was an elite QB that year (at least during the playoffs).
But look at the teams that have won Super Bowls in the salary cap era. If you don't have an elite-elite guy, the odds are stacked heavily against you.
Elite/HoF guys:
Aikman (2). Young (1). Favre (1). Elway (2). Warner (1). Brady (7). Manning (2). Roethlisberger (2). Eli Manning (2). Brees (1). Rodgers (1). Russel Wilson (1). Mahomes (2).
Really good players who elevated during their run:
Flacco (1). Foles (1). Stafford (1).
Game manager turds with historically good teams around them:
Johnson (1). Dilfer (1).
Point is, yeah, it is POSSIBLE to win with a game manager type at QB and a great, complete roster around them. It's way, way, way harder.
We've seen both sides of this coin (90s and Alex Smith era with the game manager/complete roster approach vs. Mahomes era) and seen how much more consistent and successful the latter is.
So yeah, of course there's focus on the QB play.
Both of these teams have complete, versatile, and tricky defenses. Both have stars at QB. It's pretty clear that which QB is able to better handle the opposing team's strong D is going to carry the day.