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Originally Posted by Bearcat
That seems like a losing argument unless Lamar wins Super Bowls, right?
- Some teams need a Mahomes to prop up their otherwise okay team.
- Some teams (like the Ravens?) don't need elite QBs because they have a historically great team
- Oh, and Lamar is also in the category of elite, just like Mahomes
I mean, his most impressive playoff win is either the Texans last week or the Titans a few years ago... why are we saying OUR bar is Lamar winning the Super Bowl?
He hasn't even won anything with THIS "historically great team" yet, much less raised the bar of his previous teams well beyond what they would accomplish without him.
I get you guys love the regular season... more so than any fanbase who's stopped by, but HoF careers aren't built on the potential that homer fans see in their quartback, it's built on results.
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I was just trying to use Duncan's framework for elite/HOF QB --> increased odds of winning a SB. A 2x MVP certainly qualifies as an elite/HOF QB, so that should mean the Ravens have an increased chance of winning a SB.
Separately, you've got the wrong franchise if you're going to act like all Ravens fans know is regular season succes. The Ravens have the second most road playoff wins of all time behind only the Cowboys and Packers who are tied with one more win. That in less than 30 years of existing. This franchise knows postseason success.
And besides, the regular season matters in the NFL. That's what makes it so great. It's not like the MLB or NBA where it hardly makes any difference having an extra home game in a seven-game series. Teams try very hard in the regular season in the NFL. There's no load management. Getting a bye matters. And the Ravens have done that twice in the past five years. That automatically advances them a round.
The relentless narrative here is about the Lamar Jackson era playoff record (all the while ignoring the Ravens playoff record before that, which matters if you're going to talk about "us guys" as a franchise/fanbase). But the fact is that in the three years other than his 21-year-old rookie year when he took over halfway through the season and led the team to the playoffs, Lamar has been in the divisional round each time. This year in the AFC championship game. The regular season success has meant he hasn't needed to play gimme first-round games a couple of times, which you're dinging him for.