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Originally Posted by dlphg9
I've brought this up multiple times the last couple of years, but the value they assign to framing is ****ing incredibly ludacris. The best frames in the league shouldn't get more than a couple of tenths of points of WAR for it.
There isn't really a way for them to quantify the value of framing, because there are soooo many variables that it would make it damn near impossible. You could go through statcast and look at all the balls that were called strikes instead, but that doesn't take into account the umpire and how do you verify if that specific umpire was going to call the pitch a ball or a strike anyways? What about strikes that are called balls even with a perfect framing catcher? How do you let that come into play?
Just too many variables and for a skill that probably equates to what, a couple of extra strikes at best? How in the hell do you justify that small miniscule value amounting to a 32 WAR swing between 2 players. Salvador Perez has a career fWAR of 17.1 in 11 years and Russell Martin had 19 fWAR added over 13 years just because of his framing?
Fangraphs is going to try and tell me that Martins framing is more valuable than everything Perez has done in his career? Perez having the 2nd highest CS% of any active player isn't near as impressive as Martin moving the ball to the middle of the plate when he catches?
It's insane that they keep pushing that bullshit.
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I think you’ve said more than I would ever want to say about framing.
It’s queer.
There isn’t a team in MLB who wouldn’t want
Salvador Perez as their catcher for the past 15 years.
The analytics move the goalposts all the time, and catchers keep getting ****ed.
Salvy said around 2019 when he had TJ surgery, he wanted to be a HOFer.
He missed a year, destroyed the Covid season, but had vision problems.
Went on to hit 48 homers.
Salvy is playing jokes on us.
This dude is gonna GO until he can’t. And I think he’s got five to six years left of good stuff.
400 HR is possible. 2000 hits is possible.
And a couple more playoff appearances…
How can you not love and hope for the best with this man’s career?