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Originally posted by KCTitus
I'd really like to understand how 'opportunity' is part of the problem, but alas you are gone now.
Lapdog identified what I saw was a major flaw in your debate...that you quickly jumped to epithets and labels rather than argue points.
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First of all, from your response, it is obvious that you aren't paying attention to what is going on here. You just *think* that you have.
I did not quickly jump to racial ephhets. It wasn't until Frazod started talking about shooting Mexicans as a solution that I jumped in that direction. For the life of me, I can't figure out why it is such a huge stretch to call someone who advocates shooting Mexicans to solve problems a racist. Especially when you consider that his problem seems to be with mexican immigrants... Not a word of illegal immigrants from Canada, though they exist (yes, it's a problem). It is evident that there is a racial bias here, especially when you hear the complaints about language differences.
As for opportunity being part of the problem... I've gone over this in great detail, but as you insist that I go over it again, I'll ask that you pay attention this time.
First of all, lets establish that wages in Mexico are terrible. Part of the problem is because of American infulence in Mexican politics. American companies enjoy cheap labor... Especially from Mexico, because freight costs become cheaper than shipping over seas. American influence has contributed to corrupting the Mexican government, making Minimum wage more of a ceiling than a floor for wages.
However, there is a great opportunity across the border. Farmers everywhere will pay good money by Mexico standards to illegal immigrants for working on the farms. This is opportunity. In order to iliminate a large part of the flow of illegal immigrants, you must address opportunity. CONSIDER THIS A SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM. You cannot stop the flow without addressing this opportunity. Period. No two ways around it.
Consider, however, what happens if you do stop this flow. Farmers will have to pay more money to American workers. Know anyone American who is willing to hoe beets at 75 cents a row? I don't. So already poor farmers get poorer, and pass the costs along to the consumer.
Again, no one here has even so much as attempted to give me an answer to this problem, despite all of the back slapping going on here. This opportunity is the number one source of Illegal immigrantion in the US (from Mexico).
The second opportunity is more organized, and more dangerous to society. America has a huge appetite for drugs. Because the United States refuses to control the drug problem, a huge opportunity is created on the black market for them. It used to be, mexican drug lords were forced to run cocaine from South America, across Mexico, and into the US. For all their work, they only received a small percentage of the profits... And they had to rely on someone else for those profits. Until someone came along and invented Crystal Meth. Crystal Meth, created largely in thanks to the U.S. War on Drugs, liberated Mexican drug lords from Columbian drugs. Now they've got a product that packs a much longer high, they can create it in their own labs in the US. The only thing you need to smuggle into the country is the materials to make it, including the cooks. The amount of people from Mexico that you need to smuggle in is much, much, much less than come in due to farming, but it doesn't make it any less of a problem...
So, if your solution to this problem is stopping the people, you aren't really solving the problem. The opportunity will still exist to sell drugs to a society who will dole out billions of dollars each and every year for them. The solution is to CONTROL the drug problem by controlling the drugs. If the US Controls the sale of Drugs, they control the opportunity, virtually eliminating it, and turning off the spigot of Illegal immigrants.
So if you really want to discuss how to solve illegal immigration, YOU CAN"T GET AWAY FROM THESE TWO MAJOR POINTS. It's impossible... Unless you just want to ignore the real problem, and attack the people instead. When you attack the people, instead of the problem, it is not a huge stretch to racism.
But go on, and keep patting yourselves on the backs. It's much easier than facing the truth.