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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
Htismaqe,
You're missing the point. The reason I listed the other coaches (Fassel, Billick, etc) was to prove YOUR point that other coaches have gone onto become head coaches after leading the league in offensive or defensive categories, yet ARE successful. In addition, the Dallas Cowboys under Landry, Pittburgh under Cowher and Noll, SF under Walsh, Siefert & Mariucci were continously successful because they NEVER changed systems! It was just a matter of plugging in the right player, not rebuilding every few years. The same could be said for Parcell's system & coaches and ESPECIALLY Belichick's system in NE. Great scheme, never changes, plug in players. That's what the Chiefs need to do to continue their offensive success.
In addition, comparing Al Saunder's head coaching past to Gunther's is WEAK. Saunders took over in mid-season, a team that was flailing in the wind and didn't have ANY success for another 6 years after he left. Also, to compare intellectually, Saunders to Gunther is stupid as well. Saunders graduated from Stanford and has a Master's degree in Psychology. I'd be surprised if Gunther even graduated from high school (though he's probably got a GED). Anyway, there's no way in the world that you can compare a coaching job from almost 20 years ago to the coaching job he would do today. I'm sure that like all of us, he's learned quite bit in the past 20 years.
Dane
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I'm not missing the point. We obviously have different definitions of the word "success". Anything less than the Super Bowl is not success. Sorry.
You're manufacturing continuity when there was none in both Pittsburgh and Dallas. From Landry to Johnson they turned over the entire staff. From Noll to Cowher, they turned over the entire staff. Cowher was a Marty assistant in both Cleveland and KC and never worked with Noll. Johnson came to Dallas from the University of Miami.
In San Francisco, they had continuity from Walsh to Siefert 1) because Walsh stayed on with the team as a consultant and 2) because they had great players that happened to be there during the transition. I don't consider Steve Mariucci "successful" in any definition of the word.
I could care less about IQ, degrees, or any of the rest. Gunther is regarded as one of the best defensive minds in the game. Saunders is regarded as one of the best offensive minds in the game. In general, those types of people make better coordinators than head coaches.