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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'll keep making this same point until people stop making that argument.The situation Herm was handed was definitely not like the one handed to Vermeil, and definitely not even close to any other situation any other team like Sparano or Mike Smith, etc... faced on their respective squads.

Again, the Chiefs prior to Herm Edwards getting hired were the oldest team in the NFL and had about a 15% success rate in the draft for the 5 years prior. I'm pretty sure they were the bottom of the heap in both dimensions, which makes the Chiefs very uniquely bad. Worse, while most new coaches are allowed to blow up a limping team, Peterson insisted that Herm "win now". Need evidence of that? Explain why a team that is rebuilding signs Donnie Edwards, Ty Law, and Damion McIntosh--third contract players.

Keep in mind that when Vermeil came into town, he inherited a fairly young team with a lot of cap space (the Chiefs "rebuilt" during the Gunther Cunningham head coaching era). Vermeil > Herm. And Herm's gameday decisions probably don't earn him the right to come back, but we need to quit acting like he's the main reason this team hasn't rebuilt in 3 years. The situation Carl Peterson gave Herm Edwards was far worse than any situation I've seen in a very long time.

Of course Vermeil is going to go with vets with the draft picks he kept getting. That last team of Vermeil still had more talent than any team that Herm has fielded. They still haven't put in an adequate replacement for Roaf and Shields. He also blew up what was the most successful part of the team. Herm took this team from day 1 and built it into his image. Ask Mike Solari what happens when you don't settle for a FG instead of trying to get a TD. Ask yourself if you knew the draw play was coming again on all those 3rd and 8s, that is until the game was out of reach. Herm put this team in a system destined to fail. The supposed youth movement rebuild was smoke and mirrors. We didn't rebuild, we tore down. Most of the wannabe's that were brought in for this year were never going to be a long term or even short term answer. Bringing in a young guy just because he's a young guy is just wrong. You bring in the guys who can help the team win. Pat Thomas and Tavares Washington are never going to help this team win.