[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I'd really like for you to show me where Herm wanted to tear it down year one and was overruled by Carl. I want direct quotes here because I've never, ever heard that except for bullshit conspiracy theories. I don't think Carl wanted to tear it down, but I sure as hell don't think Herm did either.

Sorry, my internet connection sucks right now so this is the quote that I can quickly reference:
"There was reportedly a deep philosophical divide between former Chiefs GM and President Carl Peterson and coach Herm Edwards. The two got along at first, but Herm's desire to rebuild was met at every step with resistance from Peterson. Chairman Clark Hunt sided with Herm in the offseason, but his upcoming GM hire may still want his own coach in place. Edwards' future remains very up in the air, but another year would not surprise."

Add on to the fact that Clark Hunt gave every vote of confidence to Herm Edwards, but fired Carl Peterson before the season even ended. He even tried to convince Pioli to consider keeping Herm. I think we all agree by now that Clark Hunt is good at what he does. I thought I also once read that Herm was so frustrated with Peterson that he started to voice his complaints directly to Hunt. The way Peterson's firing went down... it sounds like Hunt is very sympathetic to what Herm Edwards went through. But what does Clark Hunt know? I mean, he's only the owner.

Herman Edwards has NEVER built a football team on his own that was successful. Ever. He inherited Parcells and Al Groh's leftovers. He left the Jets in a mess just like he left the Chiefs.

It's not like Parcells and Groh gave him a whole lot to work with. And it leaves out the point that the GM of the Jets was Terry Bradway, who is a notorious ****-up and a student of the Carl Peterson school of hard knocks. Besides, if he left the Jets in such a horrible state of disrepair, then why did that team make the playoffs the next season when they got a healthy Pennington back?

What exactly was he building with the Chiefs? They were the worst second half team I have ever seen. He went through QB's like water. He never, ever had a functional defensive gameplan. The playoff game that he lucked into showed how truly stubborn of an idiot he is.

Again, I don't dispute that he was a horrible gameday coach. But in that statement, you're mixing in his personnel side from his gameday side. On the personnel side, he did a pretty decent job and a lot of NFL analysts seemed to think so too. Pretty remarkable, given that Peterson bled the team dry and gave Herm almost no money to play with. Out of the draft alone, Herm brought in Bowe, Albert, Leggett, Flowers, Charles, Cox, Dorsey, Page... arguably Carr, Pollard, Turk, and Tank. From the personnel side, I thought he did a pretty decent job, given how little he was allowed to work with.

So the GM hired Herm's assistants? Is that what you are telling me? Herm wanted Gunther in NY before the 2004 season.

Hiring on all fronts is done by the GM. The coach usually has input. There is no excuse whatsoever for Carl Peterson to not at least brought in outside candidates for interview. And Peterson has a loooooonnnngggg track record of doing that. Vermeil, Herm, Solari, Gun, and Gun again were all hired without interviewing a single candidate (except for one token minority candidate).

It just has to ****ing stop already. Herm is a massive failure, who was praised for his ability to build a defense because of his "Tampa connections" and this defense was pure dogshit with the players he acquired. In Herm's first ****ing game at Arrowhead, he decides to basically piss all over the see of red and wear white. It wasn't a hot day, there wasn't ridiculous humidity. He just changed for the sake of change.

It has to stop that people exaggerate how bad Herm was. Herm was a flawed gameday coach, but he made some really good moves on the personnel side and it's clear to everyone but KC fans that he wasn't given the power to do what he wanted to do.

If you are a Chiefs fan, and you defend that asshole or are sorry to see him go, please burn all your Chiefs shit and find a new team so we can have every single dark cloud away from this ****ing team and fanbase. Thank you.

I never said I was sorry to see him go. But I am sorry that he had to go like this, with people blaming him for a lot of shit that he isn't to blame for. Joe Posnanski summed it up pretty well here, even if it's overly long-winded:
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009...-win-the-game/