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Originally Posted by Bwana

Bingo: another great read on the subject..........

When the source is "naturalnews dot com", you've got problems.

#1) Where are the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies proving flu vaccines are both safe and effective?

Answer: There aren't any.

#2) Where, then, is the so-called "science" backing the idea that flu vaccines work at all?

Answer: Other than "cohort studies," there isn't any. And the cohort studies have been thoroughly debunked. Scientifically speaking, there isn't a scrap of honest evidence showing flu vaccines work at all.

Apparently these folks have never heard of the CDC.

To say these studies have been debunked is silly. There are a ton of studies showing the effectiveness of vaccines, but there is no credible peer-reviewed study or paper "debunking" the effectiveness of vaccines that I'm aware of.

#3) How can methyl mercury (Thimerosal, a preservative used in flu vaccines) be safe for injecting into the human body when mercury is an extremely toxic heavy metal?

Answer: It isn't safe at all. Methyl mercury is a poison. Along with vaccine adjuvants, it explains why so many people suffer autism or other debilitating neurological side effects after being vaccinated.

From an article answering this one: "Thimerosal is ethyl mercury, not methyl mercury which is a critical difference as ethyl mercury doesn’t accumulate in the body like methyl mercury. Regardless of that, almost all evidence points to no ill effects from thimerosal in vaccines."

From wikipedia: "Most conclusively, eight major studies (as of 2008) examined the effect of reductions or removal of thiomersal from vaccines. All eight demonstrated that autism rates failed to decline despite removal of thiomersal, arguing strongly against a causative role."

These nutty "vaccines cause autism!!!" folks never provide solid credible studies showing the link. Meanwhile, here are eight different studies showing no link.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

#4) Why do reports keep surfacing of children and teens suffering debilitating neurological disorders, brain swelling, seizures and even death following flu vaccines or HPV vaccines?

Answer: Because vaccines are dangerous. The vaccine industry routinely dismisses all such accounts — no matter how many are reported — as “coincidence.”

This is an actual argument? Correlation is not the same thing as causation. I’m sure hundreds of people have got in car accidents after getting a flu vaccine as well. Is that the flu vaccine’s fault?

#5) Why don't doctors recommend vitamin D for flu protection, especially when vitamin D activates the immune response far better than a vaccine?

Answer: Because vitamin D can't be patented and sold as "medicine." You can make it yourself. If you want more vitamin D, you don't even need a doctor, and doctors tend not to recommend things that put them out of business.

Cool, a conspiracy theory. It’s not an either/or situation. Vitamin D does strengthen the immune system. However, a strong immune system doesn’t keep you from getting the flu.

#6) If human beings need flu vaccines to survive, then how did humans survive through all of Earth's history?

Answer: Human genetic code is already wired to automatically defend you against invading microorganisms (as long as you have vitamin D).

strawman argument. No one is saying that "human beings need vaccines to survive". It can help a few people survive but by and large we are talking about avoiding the flu, not avoiding the plague.

Human beings also survived without blood transfusions too. Sure, a few people who got cut and bled out may have died, guess it sucks to be them. Human beings as a species dont NEED blood transfusions, chemotherapy, or good hygiene while preparing food.

#7) If the flu vaccine offers protection against the flu, then why are the people who often catch the flu the very same people who were vaccinated against it?

Answer: Because those most vulnerable to influenza infections are the very same people who have a poor adaptive response to the vaccines and don't build antibodies. In other words flu vaccines only "work" on people who don't need them. (And even building antibodies doesn't equate to real-world protection from the flu, by the way.)

This is nonsense. The first paragraph is simply dead-ass wrong. As for the second, the only difference between getting a killed virus and a live one in the wild is the former is not going to give you the flu. In both cases, the body's response is the same.

#8) If the flu vaccine really works, then why was there no huge increase in flu death rates in 2004, the year when flu vaccines were in short supply and vaccination rates dropped by 40%?

Answer: There was no change in the death rate. You could drop vaccination rates to zero percent and you'd still see no change in the number of people dying from the flu. That's because flu vaccines simply don't work.

First, when your talking about deaths you are talking about a pretty small number so thats not really even the concern.

If they want to go there though, I guess these idiots cant explain H1N1 in 2009, then. The vaccine came too late to be a lot of help, and death among children from the flu is startlingly high compared to most years. We still have a few months to go, and we already have more deaths from young people than in most seasons.

From the CDC: "86 US children have died from the H1N1 swine flu since the virus emerged last spring, with 43 of those deaths coming in September and early October alone. During the past three years, deaths among children from the regular seasonal flu ranged from 46 to 88 annually."

#9) How can flu vaccines reduce mortality by 50% (as is claimed) when only about 10% of winter deaths are related to the flu in the first place?

They can't. The 50% statistic is an example of quack medical marketing. If I have a room full of 100 people, then I take the 50 healthiest people and hand them a candy bar, I can't then scientifically claim that "candy bars make people healthy." That's essentially the same logic behind the "50% reduction in mortality" claim of flu vaccines.

50% may be fairly high, but to say it is zero is simply not believable considering that we are basically in a season where vaccination is much less than normal due to the H1N1 flu coming earlier than vaccines for almost everyone. Its clear this is going to be the deadliest flu for children we've seen in a long time, and probably for the population as a whole when this is finished in a couple months.

#10) If flu vaccines work so well, then why are drug makers and health authorities so reluctant to subject them to scientific scrutiny with randomized, placebo-controlled studies?

Answer: Although they claim such studies would be "unethical," what's far more unethical is to keep injecting hundreds of millions of people every year with useless, harmful vaccines that aren't backed by a shred of honest evidence.

To say this is untested is simply wrong. The method used to make vaccines has not changed in years.