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Originally Posted by milkman
You make really sound, solid points.
I got into a "debate" with another poster on another thread about this same subject, but the debate centered on Trent Williams.
I purposely called Trent Williams a "RT in a spread offense" numerous time, and he never once corrected me.
I tell you this, cause I think it's far more enjoyable to debate this with someone who actually brings some knowledge and intelligience ot the debate.
But I digress.
To the question at hand, it is my contention that a playmaker in the secondary at safety is now a premium in this league with the rules so slanted to offense, especially in teh passing game.
Guys like troy Polamaulu, Reed, and Sanders, neuatralize that advantage, to some extent.
With that in mind, I'm taking Taylor Mays.
he's a guy that hits like a LB in run support, and who has the speed and physical presense to take away the middle, including the deep middle, in pass defense.
A ball hawking Eric Berry would be my second choice.
I'd like to address the O-Line with Kris O'Dowd in the second round.
If we could land George Selvie in the early second and O'Dowd later, with the Falcon pick, followed by Jason Fox (RT) or Dan Williams (NT), in the fourth, those pisks would go along way to addressing our needs.
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The thing is, I think that you can get a ball hawking safety and a big hitting safety later on in the draft, whereas you won't find the true, elite level LT beyond Okung. I think he's it. I love Beadles to death and think that he'd be a guy like Tait, who will be one of the best RT's in the game and can play LT very effectively, but still a guy you want at RT in the end because of his strength and nasty attitude.
Mays just doesn't show the ball skills (at least what I've seen) you want in the NFL. He'd be a guy I would pick if I had Darren Sharper or Ed Reed on my team. A guy that you could let freelance and make plays from sideline to sideline and from the box and back. However, the Chiefs don't have a guy like that. I understand that it's easy to get caught up in the physical skills potential of a guy like that, but he's going to be caught up in a lot of zone busters offensively in the NFL that will take advantage of his aggressiveness.
Mays is a guy to fall in love with draft wise because he has these physical measurables that are so far off the chart that you have to believe that he's going to be the best thing ever at his position. Problem is, there is a guy like that almost every single draft. This year there are two with Mays and Dunlap (if he come out). Think Gholston, Vernon Davis, Mike Mamula, and I'll even do a recent Chiefs reference with Kawika Mitchell.
I think that a solid ILB would do more for this team than a run oriented free safety would, and you could get one cheaper than what Mays will cost. And if you wanted ball hawks at safety, there's Stuckey at KU at the SS position that could be had in the 2nd round (and I don't want to sound like a Big 12 homer or anything, but Stuckey at SS has shown a lot of game time speed and read/react skills that I haven't seen from Mays, though admittedly I have only seen two USC games this season and three from last season) and Robert Johnson at Utah (whose had 4 interceptions and a TD in the past two weeks alone, plus a couple of huge end zone pass breakups) at the FS spot that will be available from about the 4th and below.
If I was picking on my Chiefs need scenario that I outlined earlier, it would be like this positionally (And these are guys that the Chiefs have a chance at with their picks at the positions of need/value so the "best" guy isn't always the first guy):
OL (potential first round pick, but if not, needs to be addressed a couple of times in the draft):
1. Russ Okung, LT; OSU (6'5", 305 lb.)
2. Kris O'Dowd, C; USC (6'5", 295 lb.) (Underclassman)
3. Zane Beadles, LT; Utah (6'4", 315 lb.)
4. Ciron Black, LT; LSU (6'4", 330 lb.)
5. Matt Tenant, C; Boston College (6'4", 290 lb.)
6. Jason Fox, LT; Miami (6'6", 300 lb.)
7. Mike Johnson, G; Alabama (6'6", 305 lb.)
8. John Estes, C; Hawaii (6'2", 295 lb.)
9. Mike Iupati, G; Idaho (6'5", 330 lb.)
10. Eric Olsen, C; Notre Dame (6'3", 295 lb.)
TE (Could be a high second or nothing at all considering that they traded up for O'Connell. It is a position of need though):
1. Jermaine Gresham, OU; 6'6", 260 lb.
2. Dennis Pitta, BYU; 6'5", 250 lb.
2. Ed Dickson, Oregon; 6'4", 240 lb.
4. Anthony McCoy, USC; 6'5", 250 lb.
5. Richard Dickson, LSU; 6'3", 245 lb.
S (Potential first rounder, second, third, whathaveyou - they need safeties, and there is a lot of good ones in this draft considering that guys like Robert Johnson won't get looked at until the 4/5 point and down):
1. Eric Berry, SS, Tenn; 5'10", 200 lb. (Underclassman)
2. Darrell Stuckey, SS, KU; 6'0", 205 lb.
3. Taylor Mays, FS, USC; 6'4", 235 lb.
4. Myron Rolle, SS; FSU; 6'2", 220 lb.
5. Major Wright, FS; Florida; 6'0", 200 lb. (Underclassman)
ILB (Please, please, please pick us a decent inside guy):
1. Brandon Spikes, Florida; 6'3", 255 lb.
2. Rolando McCain, Alabama; 6'4", 250 lb. (Underclassman)
3. Joe Pawelek, Baylor; 6'2", 240 lb.
4. Daryl Washington, TCU; 6'3", 230 lb.
5. Sean Lee, Penn State; 6'2", 235 lb.
OLB (for the Chiefs 3-4 alignment they need an outside guy and a strong side guy to groom under Vrabel):
1. Eric Norwood, South Carolina; 6'0", 255 lb.
2. Jerry Hughes, TCU; 6'2", 260 lb.
3. George Selvie, South Florida; 6'4", 250 lb.
4. AJ Edds (Sam), Iowa; 6'4", 245 lb.
5. Rodderick Muckleroy (Sam), Texas; 6'2", 235 lb.
- There seem to be a lot of good potential rush ends in this draft. A guy like Von Miller of Texas A&M is just obliterating people this year. Sergio Kindle of Texas is picking it up. Ricky Sapp is a beast at Clemson, Lindsey Witten at UConn started the season on a tear, etc. Edds and Muckleroy are really good strong side LB prospects.
PR/KR (Dante anyone?)
1. Brandon James, RB/WR, Florida; 5'7", 185 lb.
2. Brandon Banks, WR, KSU; 5'7", 160 lb.
3. Noel Devine, RB, West Virgina; 5'8", 175 lb.
4. LeRoy Vann, CB; Central Florida; 5'9", 185 lb.
5. AJ Jefferson, CB; Fresno State; 6'0", 190 lb.
WR (considering Bowe as the #1 guy):
1. Arrileous Benn, Illinois, 6'2", 215 lb. (Underclassman)
2. Eric Decker, Minnesota; 6'3", 215 lb.
3. Brandon LaFell, LSU; 6'3", 210 lb.
4. Mike Williams, Syracuse; 6'2", 205 lb. (Underclassman)
5. Dez Briscoe, KU; 6'3", 200 lb.
CB (As bad as Maurice Leggett has been this year, this could be a first rounder or anything after):
1. Ras-I Dowling, Virginia; 6'2", 200 lb. (Underclassman)
2. Joe Hayden, Florida; 5'11", 185 lb. (Underclassman)
3. Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest; 6'0", 190 lb.
4. Pat Robinson, FSU; 5'11", 190 lb.
5. Kyle Wilson, Boise State; 5'10", 185 lb.
DT (with the trade of Tank this would move up about four slots in terms of need):
1. Boo Robinson, Wake Forest; 6'2", 325 lb.
2. Terrance Cody, Alabama; 6'5", 365 lb.
3. Dan Williams, Tennesee; 6'3", 315 lb.
4. Demarcus Granger, OU; 6'3", 310 lb.
5. Torrell Troup, Central Florida; 6'3", 320 lb.
FB (Not so much a position of need as the Chiefs are running a lot of single back sets):
1. Garrett Graham, Wisconsin; 6'3", 245 lb.
2. Rashawn Jackson, Virginia; 6'1", 255 lb.
3. Dorrin Dickson, Pitt; 6'2", 235 lb.
4. Matt Clapp, Oklahoma; 6'3", 235 lb.
5. Cory Jackson, Maryland; 6'1", 245 lb.
RB (If healthy, the Chiefs are pretty solid at RB, but a jettisoned LJ after this season could mean that they might be looking for a new bruiser type back):
1. Jon Dwyer, Georgia Tech; 6'0", 225 lb. (Underclassman)
2. Evan Royster, Penn State; 6'1", 215 lb. (Underclassman)
3. Charles Scott, LSU; 5'11", 235 lb.
4. Toby Gerhart, Stanford; 6'1", 235 lb.
5. Montario Hardesty, Tennessee; 6'0", 215 lb.