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tooge · 01-03-2012, 02:00 PM

Ok, lets look at the real facts, then look at the opinions.
Facts:
1. Tim Tebow was the QB when the broncos went 7-4 this season.
2. The broncos were incredibly fortunate to win three of those four games (think onside kicks and chicago not running out of bounds, or they are 4-7 in that time.
3. The broncos have a solid defense
4. During the 7-4 stretch, the broncos played only 2 teams that ended up as playoff teams. They lost both.

Opinions
1. Tim Teabow was a motivating factor and led the team to those wins
2. Kyle Orton was terrible and Tebow is better
3. Tim Tebow can develop into a starting caliber NFL QB
4. Tim Tebow is a winner at this level

Putting it all together, lets be real. The guy came onto the scene with a totally unconventional offensive system installed after week 6 when it became obviouse to John Fox, that he doesn't have the delivery, accuracy, or field vision to run a typical NFL passing offense. That unconventional system caught the first three or four teams by surprise and took a few weeks to teach them the discipline needed to defend it. During that time, the broncos caught some very uncanny breaks such as Marion Barber failing to run out of bounds, getting an onside kick against an 0-6 Miami team, a brand new QB in Oakland that hadn't played but a few quarters in a year, etc. Finally, the schedule toughened a bit (though not much), the defenses figured out how to stop a college read option offense, and the breaks stopped (other than the chiefs muffed punt). Guess what? The broncos lose 3 in a row. Tebow's numbers are some of the worst in NFL history. That isn't any coincidence. The guys a gamer without NFL talent. Tyler Thigpen with a lesser accuracy. Had John Fox not scrapped the offense to save some sort of offensive face, Tebows numbers would likely be even worse.
This is a case of a few random events coming together in a time sequence that is purely coincidental, and leading to a perception of an outcome that simply isn't reality.
In all likelyhood, Elway knows this and will plan to move on in the offseason. If not, the broncos are putting thier rebuilding process on hold for another two years or so while the young guys they have begin to reach and or pass thier prime. I'm not buying in at all. It is delusional to think this guy can get the broncos to the playoffs again. They got there DESPITE his play, not because of it. Heck, this is just my opionion, but I think they started figuring Foxs defensive scheme out about week 4 or 5. I think if they had kept Orton, they'd be sitting at 10-6 and might have a first round bye. As a chiefs fan, I'm VERY happy they are drinkin the Tebow koolaid.

01-03-2012, 02:00 PM	#13
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $544112	Ok, lets look at the real facts, then look at the opinions. Facts: 1. Tim Tebow was the QB when the broncos went 7-4 this season. 2. The broncos were incredibly fortunate to win three of those four games (think onside kicks and chicago not running out of bounds, or they are 4-7 in that time. 3. The broncos have a solid defense 4. During the 7-4 stretch, the broncos played only 2 teams that ended up as playoff teams. They lost both. Opinions 1. Tim Teabow was a motivating factor and led the team to those wins 2. Kyle Orton was terrible and Tebow is better 3. Tim Tebow can develop into a starting caliber NFL QB 4. Tim Tebow is a winner at this level Putting it all together, lets be real. The guy came onto the scene with a totally unconventional offensive system installed after week 6 when it became obviouse to John Fox, that he doesn't have the delivery, accuracy, or field vision to run a typical NFL passing offense. That unconventional system caught the first three or four teams by surprise and took a few weeks to teach them the discipline needed to defend it. During that time, the broncos caught some very uncanny breaks such as Marion Barber failing to run out of bounds, getting an onside kick against an 0-6 Miami team, a brand new QB in Oakland that hadn't played but a few quarters in a year, etc. Finally, the schedule toughened a bit (though not much), the defenses figured out how to stop a college read option offense, and the breaks stopped (other than the chiefs muffed punt). Guess what? The broncos lose 3 in a row. Tebow's numbers are some of the worst in NFL history. That isn't any coincidence. The guys a gamer without NFL talent. Tyler Thigpen with a lesser accuracy. Had John Fox not scrapped the offense to save some sort of offensive face, Tebows numbers would likely be even worse. This is a case of a few random events coming together in a time sequence that is purely coincidental, and leading to a perception of an outcome that simply isn't reality. In all likelyhood, Elway knows this and will plan to move on in the offseason. If not, the broncos are putting thier rebuilding process on hold for another two years or so while the young guys they have begin to reach and or pass thier prime. I'm not buying in at all. It is delusional to think this guy can get the broncos to the playoffs again. They got there DESPITE his play, not because of it. Heck, this is just my opionion, but I think they started figuring Foxs defensive scheme out about week 4 or 5. I think if they had kept Orton, they'd be sitting at 10-6 and might have a first round bye. As a chiefs fan, I'm VERY happy they are drinkin the Tebow koolaid.
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